We still got it the health centre is now to be incorporated into the Stadium as a joint venture with the club. Rovers are at the Councils cabinet meeting on 24th after money for their North stand development

Thanks Wilf

22nd. Fantastic thing to be proposing to subsidise in the current public sector cuts environment.

they told me to come to the meting on the 24th that figures!!!!!

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BSF, a fundermentally good idea has been a well and truly screwed nationwide by the incompertence of a few - particarly those in charge of distrubution - and that was before the recession. Its not only had a severe impact on school building in this country, which I don't think is too dramatic to say will definetly have a negative on childrens education in this country but said incompertance also cost thousands of construction jobs in a recession where school building projects would kinda of been handy.

Then the Tories came in and finished it off by putting severe cuts in place on the one area of public spending that should surely be protected, eduction.

You keep spouting the theory that BSF was a great idea, it was ridiculous, from the specifications of the buildings to, as you mention, the supply chain, to the actual amounts of money they were prepared to pay.

What cuts IN education have there been, are teacher numbers going down, class sizes going up? - no.

Spot on Standee. As usual the Tories get blamed for being sensible with money.

Wait and see what the white paper says first. There will be cuts in Education but they could be ofset by cuts to Universities. There will definately be changes.

same old tories,they havent a clue.they should never govern this country again.

Well I'm pretty disenchanted with em really, Just been told that my Daughters University Fees will be doubling if not trebling in 2012, a lot of her pals voted for the Lib/Dems because of their stance on tuition fees and they are pretty dienchanted, so I ain't that impressed particulary with the Lib/Dems, nationally or locally!

So why are they moaning?? The Lib/Dems had no chance of forming a government in any case. So they got what they voted for.

Could you explain the logic behind those two statements for me?

Lib Dems = dustbin votes = puppets = no influence

Every vote I've ever cast has been a dustbin vote - always lived in seats which were very safe for one party or another. Still, it keeps extremists from holding a balance of power, I suppose.

I think they'd prefer 'junior partners' to puppets.



Still don't think Wilf's daughter got what she voted for - but who does? Disenchantment with politics is the norm.

Just in the interests of balance, Labour promised they wouldn't introduce tuition fees prior to their election in 1997. Within 6 months tuition fees were introduced.

Yes I quite agree but you should still vote for what you believe in and if they had got in they would have put them up too, maybe not as much but they would have still increased them.

Some students voted Lib/Dem because in a democracy when a party whoever they are have policies that you agree with or indeed believe in and that effect you personally, you vote for them, thats what its all about, that choice is what people fought for in the past. Perhaps it was a 'wasted' vote but then the party that had advocated no fee increases, and who had few other real keystone policies suddenly found themselves in a position to influence what was happeneing and they capitulate with a whimper.

As For Mr Gekko well thank goodness most folks are not like you believing that there should not be just two parties forever and actually believe that voting for what you believe in rather than following a popularist option that is 'mainstream' like sheep, is what our democratic right is all about, I'd always vote for what I believe in, not who I think has a chance of winning, even if mine is a dustbin vote.

Oh dear....touchy, touchy





FWIW i don't vote, because a vote for Tory in this city is the dustbin vote and a waste of time, as the '[imainstream sheep[/i' have voted the same way for decades and left this city a laughing stock. Still i suppose you could always trash buildings and throw fire extinguishers at innocent passers by to get your point accross, if one can be d

So in summary, they are all as bad as each other?? Couldnt agree more.

Just in the interest of even more balance Labour did exactly the same in 1997 as the Tories this year in that they never said either way. They may well have had every intention of introducing tuition fees but they never said that they would and it certainly did not appear in their manifesto in 1997.

Laurie Daleys famous quote regarding RU could be slightly altered to encompass all polititians and political parties quite easily!!

were all just tax cattle nothing more , and that will never change regardless of who is in the big chair

Errr yes they did. I was going to university the following year so it was very much a part of my decision making process in terms of who to vote for. Not only did Labour say the wouldn't introduce tuition fees they also spent alot of time attacking the Tory plans to introduce them after the election. I specifically asked my local Labour MP who assured my that Labour would NOT introduce tuition fees.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

Though i'd rather be a Tory than a tree hugger or a socialist

OK, first

- the building specifications were deliberately kept low cost and sustainable. I know, I worked on quite a few of them. They also varied from project to project and were largely decided by the client and Architects.



And second,

- it was largely private enterprise. That was one of the fundermental reasons for BSF. It was certainly more efficient than the traditional school building process.



And finally - you are kidding me? What cuts in eduction? Its one of the hardest hits. As somebody that has been to survey schools, as well as spent much of my career working on education projects, schools in this country are largely falling apart. There are actually some schools that are literally been held together with ongoing (and very expensive) maintenance work. You don't regard school building as a cut? That and the almost certain cuts that will effect front line teachers. Its a very bleak time for education, and under this joke of a government it will only get worst.

cllr minns and co must be rovers fans.''thou will not return to the boulevard''.