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| Quote ="voodooroo"I guess whilst there is no definative answer '"
But there [iis[/i a definitive answer. It's in the Laws of the Game.
Quote ="voodooroo"i know i may be old school but if a ball is thrown forwards regardless of speed or size etc its still simply a forward pass to me '"
It's not about being 'old school'. It's about ignoring the real world. You can throw a ball backwards and it will still travel forwards relative to the ground. It really is very simple and something you experience all the time in everyday life.
Quote ="voodooroo"RL was a simple game made very difficult by additions to the rules over the years'"
The Forward Pass Law hasn't been changed.
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| Quote ="Kosh"But there [iis[/i a definitive answer. It's in the Laws of the Game.
It's not about being 'old school'. It's about ignoring the real world. You can throw a ball backwards and it will still travel forwards relative to the ground. It really is very simple and something you experience all the time in everyday life.
The Forward Pass Law hasn't been changed.'"
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| Quote ="OmneFC"I wouldn't say that this was an addition to the rules, its just the correct interpretation of what constitutes a forward pass
this surely isn't that difficult to understand.....'"
I've come to the conclusion that some people just don't [iwant[/i to understand. They prefer being able to shout "FORRRWARRRD!" every time a pass (only by an opposition player, mind) drifts so much as a millimetre towards the opposition sticks.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I've come to the conclusion that some people just don't [iwant[/i to understand. They prefer being able to shout "FORRRWARRRD!" every time a pass (only by an opposition player, mind) drifts so much as a millimetre towards the opposition sticks.'"
There needs to be a forward pass campaign to create forward pass awareness!
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's actually quite difficult to tell from the angle used for the highlights, and it does look forward at full speed. But if you freeze frame at the instant the ball is released you can see that Hodgson has his torso pointed across the field and it [ilooks[/i like the ball is released with his arms parallel at worst. So not forward.
I'd like better angles to be sure, mind.'"
Looked forward to me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's actually quite difficult to tell from the angle used for the highlights, and it does look forward at full speed. But if you freeze frame at the instant the ball is released you can see that Hodgson has his torso pointed across the field and it [ilooks[/i like the ball is released with his arms parallel at worst. So not forward.
I'd like better angles to be sure, mind.'"
He passes it on the 20 metre line and Monaghan catches it after the 20metre line....FORWARD PASS.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Looked forward to me.'"
It is Paul....no amount of old fanny will change the fact it was a bloody mile forward.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"He passes it on the 20 metre line and Monaghan catches it after the 20metre line....FORWARD PASS.'"
They were both moving forward..... oh, forget it!
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| Quote ="fc baldy"He passes it on the 20 metre line and Monaghan catches it after the 20metre line....FORWARD PASS.'"
You could do that with a perfectly legal pass if you were running fast enough and passed sideways.
As I said, at full speed I'd have called that forward. With freeze frame it might be legal. In play you'd expect that to be called forward TBH.
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| OK, with numbers;
If a player is running at 10mph (might be fast but is a good example) this equates to 4.5 metres per second,
If they pass the ball exactly level (assuming no wind resistance), it will continue to move forward 4.5 metres for every second that it is airborne,
If the ball is in the air for 1 second, and passed exactly level, it will have moved 4.5 meters past the place where the player passed it
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| jesus we need physics geeks not video refs
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| Quote ="voodooroo"jesus we need physics geeks not video refs'"
its only the same as crashing your car and not wearing a seat belt - the car stops, you continue to move
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| Quote ="OmneFC"its only the same as crashing your car and not wearing a seat belt - the car stops, you continue to move'"
I think that's possibly the best way I've ever heard of describing it to Joe Public!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I think that's possibly the best way I've ever heard of describing it to Joe Public!'"
should have added,
"through the windscreen"
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| tonight i was i watched part of the union currie cup match and the video ref disallowed a try for a forward pass yet here it caan t be done
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| Quote ="OmneFC"should have added,
"through the windscreen"'"
Julie knew her killer...
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| Quote ="fc baldy"It is Paul....no amount of old fanny will change the fact it was a bloody mile forward.'"
I like it - how many pages are we in on The FOWARD pass - If its forward its a bloody mile forward - No physics - no verocity - no momentum.
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| Quote ="Basher"I like it - how many pages are we in on The FOWARD pass - If its forward its a bloody mile forward - No physics - no verocity - no momentum.
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Velocity even - apologies.
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| Quote ="OmneFC"its only the same as crashing your car and not wearing a seat belt - the car stops, you continue to move'"
And you continue to move in which direction?????
Hahaha...i'll leave all and sundry to give the answer, but as a hint, it beggins with 'F'
I rest my case!
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| Quote ="Ian.FCF"And you continue to move in which direction?????
Hahaha...i'll leave all and sundry to give the answer, but as a hint, it beggins with 'F'
I rest my case!'"
But it isnt passed forward, the momentum comes purely from the speed the vehicle was moving...............
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| Quote ="Ian.FCF"And you continue to move in which direction?????
Hahaha...i'll leave all and sundry to give the answer, but as a hint, it beggins with 'F'
I rest my case!'"
You're really not getting this. With your stance the only way you'll ever truly be able to eradicate forward passes is to go like netball and ban players from moving with the ball.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Depends what you mean by "allowed to throw it forward".
If you mean in relation to the player, then no. If you mean in relation to the pitch, then yes you're allowed some leeway in how much it goes forward due to the laws of physics (which is no doubt the RFL's fault).'"
no it's string theory that is the RFL's fault - they're okay with your basic Newtonian laws.
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| Quote ="downtheante"no it's string theory that is the RFL's fault - they're okay with your basic Newtonian laws.'"
exactly, BASIC
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| Quote ="downtheante"no it's string theory that is the RFL's fault - they're okay with your basic Newtonian laws.'"
Haha, OK. We need to get Dr Sheldon Cooper to do a presentation on it then.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Haha, OK. We need to get Dr Sheldon Cooper to do a presentation on it then.'"
Oh god don't set him off
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