Refusing to play scrum half?

We sent the worlds best winger to Dockers
Marcus Bai

And Finally Tony hits the nail on the head in the Mail

That would challenge most squads, especially some of who they are (injuries). But that's irrelevant, nobody wants to hear about all that; it's whether you win or lose!!!!

Finally he admits the basic 101 of sport and culture

It’s all irrelevant - it’s whether you

WIN or LOSE

that ends my Culture debate on another thread

Marcus Bai wouldn’t have been Dockers best winger at that moment in time.

Culture + Resources + Players + Preparation = Long Term Success.

We had the players in 2016 & 2017 who could beat anybody on their day, but in the absence of the right resources, culture and preparation then they were not going to go all the way and win the Grand Final.

Since the glory days of 2017 our player quality has declined and the other elements required for success have not been put in place.

It will take a lot more than mere money to turn round the good ship Hull FC, but to start the process money is essential.

Do we get a much needed win v Giants

I have this sneaky feeling we win

I thought we were going to sneak a win against Leigh, but I couldn’t have been more wrong.

When TS was in charge of the Dobbins, they often had a performance in them, but I honestly don’t think this side has.

I didn’t see Balmforth at Warrington but whilst we see the superficial stuff as fans TS sees stats. These may suggest he’s not ready for SL hence he’s not picked yet

I did against Leigh

Hardly a debate! You offered very little other than. "tell them to win then we'll have a winning culture"

Looking at the make up of the squad you'd expect that we'd set up in similar fashion to the last third of the game against Rover's. Did we improve with that set up or did Rovers put their cue in the rack? Hopefully it's the former. A team with good support systems and processes would take the positives and show a response and improve this week (don't think many would put their shirt on them to win) . Is our culture one of continual improvement? Even if we improve, has this team got the capability to win?

Tomorrow sees the start of a 21 game run-in to the end of the season, have we ever had such a long run-in with effectively nothing material to play for?
Out of the cup, cannot be relegated, basically have no chance of reaching the play-offs (barring a miraculous about turn in fortune!). All we can really hope for is to see the odd performance between now and September which lifts our spirits a little (even if it's only for seven days before reverting to type!).

From what I've seen of Huddersfield so far, they look to be nothing more than mid-table average, certainly nothing to trouble the top end of the table.
If we can come out tomorrow and continue on in the vein of last week's second half, then we might make a game of it. On the other hand, play like we did in the first half last week and it will be another thumping to add to an ever growing list.

Predictions are almost pointless, because none of us have the slightest clue what mood/attitude they will come out with tomorrow (or any week for that matter!). Didn't we play Huddersfield at home last year, immediately after the Good Friday humiliation, and out of nowhere they suddenly remembered how to defend their goal-line and how to play with some passion and energy? Maybe tomorrow will be a touch of the same, or maybe not, who honestly knows?

Not me that's for sure, I'm going to turn up and see what happens. I no longer have any pre-conceived ideas of how any game involving us might turn out, because it could turn out to be absolutely anything, let's hope we're all in for a nice surprising Saturday afternoon, we live in hope as always!!

If anyone is passing by South Stand tomorrow, give me a cheery wave. I'll be the one wearing black & white with, no doubt, a frustrated/perplexed look on my face at what is unfolding in front of me (like virtually everyone else probably!!). It's never been an easy ride, being a black & white, but we've taken the rollercoaster to a new level this year! Fingers crossed tomorrow afternoon brings a little light relief and a touch of sunshine into the spring air!

the problem BP1, is that we're a below average side, and Huddersfield put 54 points on us only two weeks ago. Likely to be similar tomorrow, I just don't think we have the confidence to score lots of points and win a game, our mentality seems to be tru to compete and limit damage rather than actually knowing how to / having the will to win

I suspect you're probably right. After the past three weeks I wouldn't back us against anyone at this moment, even London away looks tricky after they came so close to turning us over last month.
I keep thinking/hoping that this can't get any worse and surely, at some point, we will show at least a modicum of fight and idea, only for us to then turn in another turgid performance! Likely to be the same tomorrow in all honestly.

In truth, I'm only going tomorrow because; a) I've already paid for my seat as a passholder, and b) I can't think of anything else to do particularly with my Saturday afternoon!! It's all just hit and hope really. The worst part is that this is really all we have to look forward to for the rest of the season, there is nothing to cling onto at the moment, not even hope.

I think we can use this season to watch the process of transformation of a declined club in to a competitive one that has begun to initiate the dna like the likes of Wigan possess. I am as saddened as the next fan at this and last season’s performances. Sacking the coach is just not the answer especially one with patience, experience and who likes the challenge. I’m paying to get in tomorrow to watch this process for 80 mins and provide some funds- and an afternoon out! Otherwise I could just moan and boycott the club which is the last thing it needs. It cannot get worse until we find ourselves in the championship and that’s 18 months away. Keep supporting hard though it is

I hope you're right on this, I really do!!
I worry that there are some deeply embedded problems at the club, covering a whole range of issues, which won't be easily altered/eradicated in the space of a few months. Something feels very wrong to me at the moment. I find it hard to ignore the feeling that we are teetering on the brink of a genuine slide into obscurity.

Hopefully, these fears will prove to be unfounded and, like you say, we will look back on this year as the time foundations were put in place for future success. I'm not expecting much for the rest of this year, but a couple of green shoots would be nice to see!

I’m travelling up for tomorrow’s game. I’m expecting our best hope is a defeat by only 10-14 points and suspect the biggest cheer of the day will be the applause for Adam Swift when he completes his second hat trick against us in 2 weeks.

As someone else mentioned, this time last season we managed a narrow win at home to Huddersfield after a disastrous Easter. So you never know, but realistically I think we do…..

Litten, Tindall and Jebson playing for the reserves today along with Balmforth.

I expect we will keep with 3 scores.

Hudds are the epitomy of average (which is leagues above us) but they do have players to own teams up.

For us to win any game it requires an attack..

28 - 10 Hudds.

Well I don’t know if I’m right. there is no other solution I can see other than what TS is doing- getting some playing structures in , practicing like hell, blooding some of the youth and having to put stuff in the paper and let the disgruntled fans tear him apart. As fans I think we must look under the surface to see that your green shoots are being planted but need watering and putting up with the odd trampling!

if Smith was so keen on stats then Okunbor would be cleaning the toilets.
Has to be some form of disagreement between the two kept in house.
Thats why you need fan forums so that difficult questions can be asked looking Smith in the eye rather than mentioning it but saying nothing in the HDM.
Just dont buy this not ready for S/L or its a fitness issue.
Lets face it Moy likely to play nine off the bench on Saturday.he is a skinny kid 10 stone wet through.You cant tell me that he is ready for S/L

reverse that score and you may be somewhere near

If this was Smiths first season you may have a point but its not
said before if anyone can tell me what Smith has done since he has been here that has enhanced the team on the field other than make us the most ill disciplined team in S/L i am waiting to hear.
I was happy to see Smith appointed coach but now he needs to go as we are going backwards with him in charge and the club is now the laughing stock of Super league

In our last 3 games we've conceded 8 tries a game on average, not sure how much our defence will have improved in a week?

Well at least I'll be warm watching the match. Honestly finding it hard to see us winning but typical of hull to do just that.