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| Quote ="rugbynut"Who do you all want to replace him? Who would want to come? Kear wins a cup and gets the bullet. Sharp and Gentle get us to finals and get the bullet. Under Agar and Radford we play dull rugby and finish lower in the league but they get longer in the job. I just don't get it!'"
Different expectations back in the Kear/Sharp days, we were a top4 side looking to win more trophies. Kear fell out with Hetherington, and our league form was inconsistent given the quality of the players we had available. Sharp never recovered from Cooke leaving and then had the worst injury crisis we've had in the SL era in 2008.
Agar & Radford are/were cheap options, but Pearson's learnt the Hetherington trick of cutting costs because the fans will turn up and watch any old dross anyway.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Green & Bowden may well have been at the club longer than Pearson, but we continue to play them despite them not standing out and not progressing. Bowden was a penalty machine last night. And Abdull looks well overweight for a half-back.'"
How many penalties did he concede?
Abdull ISN'T a HB.
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| Quote ="*1865*"How many penalties did he concede?
Abdull ISN'T a HB.'"
Who cares? we are still relegation fodder.
Moi Moi will cream us.
Oh an expect a Will Sharp hat trick against Fev
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| Quote ="*1865*"How many penalties did he concede?
Abdull ISN'T a HB.'"
not sure on Bowden's penalty count without watching the game back on TV (and frankly i'd rather cut my balls off with a rusty razor blade!) but he's still completely ineffective.
and if Abdul isn't a half-back why do we play him there in the first team? he's also listed as a stand-off on the club website.
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| Quote ="UllFC"not sure on Bowden's penalty count without watching the game back on TV (and frankly i'd rather cut my balls off with a rusty razor blade!) but he's still completely ineffective.
and if Abdul isn't a half-back why do we play him there in the first team? he's also listed as a stand-off on the club website.'"
He's a 13. The reason his first team appearances have been in the halves is because he wouldn't last in the middle atm. He plays 13 in the 19's.
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| Quote ="*1865*"How many penalties did he concede?'"
Bowden gave away 1 penalty. Minichiello, Rankin & Westerman were the highest with 2 each. So not a penalty machine in the slightest.
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| Quote ="*1865*"What an absolute load of BS. It doesn't even warrant intelligent reply. Abdull's a 13 all day long.'"
You write an absolute load of bullshine too, it would seem you can't compose an intelligent response in any case not that you would have a jot of evidence to support your stance unlike mine which I have written and the evidence is clearly there for all to see but the drum beaters like yourself.
As for JA, that IS exactly the problem, we develop no halves to speak of, we get a lad whom has talent and you and others just want to turn him into a 13 FFS. Well as you & Radford seem to be in bed together your way MUST be right, it's surely working for us right now isn't it and we certainly don't need any home grown halves for the future..you and your ilk must be on crack the nonsense you keep coming out with and and all the while your bestie is ruining OUR club!!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"You write an absolute load of bullshine too, it would seem you can't compose an intelligent response in any case not that you would have a jot of evidence to support your stance unlike mine which I have written and the evidence is clearly there for all to see but the drum beaters like yourself.
As for JA, that IS exactly the problem, we develop no halves to speak of, we get a lad whom has talent and you and others just want to turn him into a 13 FFS. Well as you & Radford seem to be in bed together your way MUST be right, it's surely working for us right now isn't it and we certainly don't need any home grown halves for the future..you and your ilk must be on crack the nonsense you keep coming out with and and all the while your bestie is ruining OUR club!!
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Bosh
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| In all honesty, fc's young kids have offerd nothing to the first team for some time.... when saints or wigan bring a kid through, he looks like a regular first teamer even when he's on debut... ours look lost, and not conditioned enough IMO
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"In all honesty, fc's young kids have offerd nothing to the first team for some time.... when saints or wigan bring a kid through, he looks like a regular first teamer even when he's on debut... ours look lost, and not conditioned enough IMO'"
Including Hampshire whos doing ok at Wigan, who we lost for a pittance
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"As for JA, that IS exactly the problem, we develop no halves to speak of, we get a lad whom has talent and you and others just want to turn him into a 13 FFS. Well as you & Radford seem to be in bed together your way MUST be right, it's surely working for us right now isn't it and we certainly don't need any home grown halves for the future..you and your ilk must be on crack the nonsense you keep coming out with and and all the while your bestie is ruining OUR club!!
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I don't think anyone is [itrying[/i to turn Abdul into a 13 - he's looked every inch one since he first appeared on the scene. Always been too big for a half IMO, much as I'd love him to be one.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"You write an absolute load of bullshine too, it would seem you can't compose an intelligent response in any case not that you would have a jot of evidence to support your stance unlike mine which I have written and the evidence is clearly there for all to see but the drum beaters like yourself.
As for JA, that IS exactly the problem, we develop no halves to speak of, we get a lad whom has talent and you and others just want to turn him into a 13 FFS. Well as you & Radford seem to be in bed together your way MUST be right, it's surely working for us right now isn't it and we certainly don't need any home grown halves for the future..you and your ilk must be on crack the nonsense you keep coming out with and and all the while your bestie is ruining OUR club!!
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The fact frep agrees with you makes my argument more than I could ever do.
The kids not being made a 13, he IS a 13, and a damn good one at that. Once he matures physically and increases his stamina he will be a very good player.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Including Hampshire whos doing ok at Wigan, who we lost for a pittance'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"I don't think anyone is [itrying[/i to turn Abdul into a 13 - he's looked every inch one since he first appeared on the scene. Always been too big for a half IMO, much as I'd love him to be one.'"
Abdull is a 13, him with Dean & HTW at 6 & 7 is a potent triangle and the future of our club, if any of these people bothered to go and watch the 19's they'd see it a mile off.
Maybe it's because our 19's are top of their league and playing well? That sort of stuff doesn't sit well with them.
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| I did ask the question when Rads got the job who will be our new coach at the end of 2015. So I'll ask a new one why bother getting rid of him it's not like the board will have the ambition to get a coach who is any better?
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| Quote ="*1865*"The fact frep agrees with you makes my argument more than I could ever do.
The kids not being made a 13, he IS a 13, and a damn good one at that. Once he matures physically and increases his stamina he will be a very good player.'"
I don't doubt he will be a very good player but at present he's wasting away in the 19s and not developing at the rate he probably needs to at this stage of his career. Add on the fact he's at a club in freefall surrounded by coaches with next to zero SL experience and the head coach not a fecking clue he'd be better off elsewhere career wise. If he stays. good for him and good for us, we need anyone decent for the future...but as a 13, are you saying that Westerman is leaving next year or is going to be play in the 2nd row to accommodate him?
What we need more than anything else is a half that isn't either a crock, overpaid aussie who can't cut the mustard or a 34 year at the end of his career and whilst Pryce has performed better than I expected we should be aiming to get someone for the long term. As it happens the kids you mention are way off, a LONG way off.
But if you're happy that we are developing him into a backrower, fine, that is your OPINION and that indeed of the club, have you thought just for a split second you and your bedfellows might be wrong..no, you couldn't possibly think that, nor can you just accept that people have opinions different to yours without feeling the need to be abusive and derogatory...you show an utter lack of any class whatsoever..Im sure your mother must love you
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"
But if you're happy that we are developing him into a backrower, fine, that is your OPINION and that indeed of the club, have you thought just for a split second you and your bedfellows might be wrong..no, you couldn't possibly think that, nor can you just accept that people have opinions different to yours without feeling the need to be abusive and derogatory...you show an utter lack of any class whatsoever..Im sure your mother must love you
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You can't even see the hypocrisy in that, can you?
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| Keep Radford in some capacity if Pearson think he has a role to play, but bring in an experienced coach with attacking ideas.
If Pearson wants English, I'd look at Mark Aston, has done a really good job consistently with Sheffield on a low budget. Could do a similar job to Powell.
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| I know people still don't like/rate him, but McNamara would be the first name on my shortlist. He's come a long way since the Bradford days and has spent the last two years learning at one of the great rugby league clubs. The national team is also in the best state it has been for probably over a decade. Not to mention he's a Hull lad which personally I don't care about but it allows Pearson to save face with his "Club Hull" rubbish.
He's head and shoulders a better option than Brian Smith and whilst the likes of Aston could turn out to be great they are also be a big gamble.
The other one Id like is Tony Smith, but I don't see him walking out on Warrington to come here. He would need to be sacked first for him to consider us.
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| I do worry about our fans, seems to be a campaign on twitter to get Bobby Goulding to come and help us out, since when was a failed coach become our saviour.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"I don't doubt he will be a very good player but at present he's wasting away in the 19s and not developing at the rate he probably needs to at this stage of his career.'"
How often do you watch the 19's to be able to make this assumption? Because myself and many others see him progressing rather well.
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Add on the fact he's at a club in freefall surrounded by coaches with next to zero SL experience and the head coach not a fecking clue he'd be better off elsewhere career wise.'"
Maybe so, but I'm pretty sure he would like to win the 19's this year, he'll probably do that here.
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"but as a 13, are you saying that Westerman is leaving next year or is going to be play in the 2nd row to accommodate him?'"
Why would either of those things need to happen? Competition for places can only be a good thing, surely?
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"What we need more than anything else is a half that isn't either a crock, overpaid aussie who can't cut the mustard or a 34 year at the end of his career and whilst Pryce has performed better than I expected we should be aiming to get someone for the long term.'"
Not sure I get your point here, Sneyd's 25 and signed a 4 year deal, is that not long term? And you've said yourself Pryce has been performing well and there's no indication we're looking to sign anyone in that position any time soon with the likes of HTW & Reece Dean coming through
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"As it happens the kids you mention are way off, a LONG way off.'"
Again, do you even go to the 19's? They're the same age as Abdull! He is a little in front of them, but they're not a LONG way off and I'd expect one of them to take over from Pryce.
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Silly and petty comments aside, you still don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that he's not being developed in to a back rower, he IS a 13.
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| Anyway , so who's in charge if Radford and Last go? Steve Crooks? It'll be like groundhog day , he took over from Walsh part way through 1999 and has a 5 from 30 win record. Who else do we have to use as a caretaker? Ellis , Pryce? It just shows the dearth of coaching experience and talent at the club and underlines why we're as poor and unprofessional as we are.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Keep Radford in some capacity if Pearson think he has a role to play, but bring in an experienced coach with attacking ideas.
If Pearson wants English, I'd look at Mark Aston, has done a really good job consistently with Sheffield on a low budget. Could do a similar job to Powell.[/quo
Keep him some capacity,you have to be kidding,he wouldn't even make a decent teaboy,he' never remember how much sugar you take in your tea or coffee,and probably spill it anyway
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I know people still don't like/rate him, but McNamara would be the first name on my shortlist. He's come a long way since the Bradford days and has spent the last two years learning at one of the great rugby league clubs. The national team is also in the best state it has been for probably over a decade. Not to mention he's a Hull lad which personally I don't care about but it allows Pearson to save face with his "Club Hull" rubbish.
He's head and shoulders a better option than Brian Smith and whilst the likes of Aston could turn out to be great they are also be a big gamble.
The other one Id like is Tony Smith, but I don't see him walking out on Warrington to come here. He would need to be sacked first for him to consider us.'"
Think McNamara would be just as bad as Radford.
Games against NZ since he took over played 4 won 1 Against Aus Played 5 lost 5. Not exactly setting the world alight especially when he has some decent players at his disposal.
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