never thought I would think someone was worse than Kath and Co, and I had every faith in AP, but we are a total shambles, we may have invested off the field, and we may be throwing good money after bad for Pryce et al, but we unadulterated 541t under (B)Radford, nobody expected a win last night, but to be embarrassed, again, is just not good enough.

A meaningless post.

So its not the players fault,they drop the ball,miss tackles and fall apart? I was there last night and make no mistake it was embarrassing to watch.IMO our problem is the pack.Paea has played probably two decent games all season,last night he made no headway at all no leg drive just run in to the opposition with very little aggression. Green another one makes no impact at all too lightweight,Bowden another one who has only had a couple of decent games.Blame radford all you like we just have not got the fire power up front only feka mad any attempt at aggression. It was clear to see the vast difference how the Wigan pack punched holes in our defence and kept our pack quite all night and not for the first time this season.how many games have our pack dominated? not many.Clearly these performances are not good enough but not all the blame can be laid at Radders door.I doubt if any coach in the game can turn this side round without some different personal up front .Anyone who has played the game knows the pack lay the platform and our backs have not had that luxury enough.It was said by many before a ball was kicked that our pack was not good enough.how many times this season has radders asked for more agression? either the players are not up to it or they dont want to do it for radders but whatever it needs sorting before next season

So if Feka was our best forward and the others were ineffective why did Radford take so long to bring him on?

Because he would rather have a twenty year old hooker in the pack or at loose forward instead! That summed radford up last nite, clueless

Best part of 50 mins before the clown brought him on and showed more passion in the 1st 10 mins he was on than most of the pack did in the 1st 50.Great thinking to give logan a debut in 1 of the most difficult games in the calendar,so much for radford saying he would walk,he is so out of his depth its unreal,pearsons as much at fault as well.
In the 1980's we had leuluai,ah khoi,o'hara,sterling,kemble,muggleton all from overseas and all played with pride and passion,so who cares where they come from if they play with pride and passion for the club.

Thanks for explaining how the game works to us.
Collectively I do not think our team performances actually reflect the ability we have in our team.
We have so many players this season just going through the motions or regressing.
Its no coincidence that this loss of form has been increasing as the season has gone on.
Radford has been for me the catalyst for all of this.
He is severely lacking in man management skills and in head coaching ability.
To remove him would release the players from this turmoil and we would see a new team and ethos.

just heard our 19's got thrashed 38-0 by Wigan.

This is with a talented HB HarryTyson-Wilson, but still.. we cant score.
This is massive worry.Until we have all 3 grades playing with same structure.things will not change,this indicates there is no attack structure throughout the club, the whole coaching staff are to blame.

Wakey look awfully familiar...

The team we have only taken a point from in two games.

Comparisons with previous regimes unfair, generally they had extremely tight purse strings.

This Clown operates at FULL salary cap & has a backer prepared to pay players off, swap the squad every 5 minuters, bring in stop gap players.....................

Really feel for AP, don't see how he could do more, other than recognise that Lee was a HUGE mistake.

I'm sure you mean a[size=200=#FF4000GIGANTIC AND POTENTIALLY COSTLY[/size mistake!!

So why did he sign Carvell then let he go to play at Castleford?
Paea also played well when Carvell was in the side.
Radford is a useless coach and even worse man manager
No Mention of Sa,Ben Crooks or Lancaster been injured so why did the idiot not play Crooks at centre instead of a Rookie from the under 19s?
Why not play Lancaster allowing Talanoa to play centre which would have released Whiting to play in the second row.
Why play Whiting,Westerman,Watts out of position when simply playing Whiting in the second row would have solved that problem.
Why bring Cunningham back to interchange with Houghton when after 15 minutes he brings Cunningham on at 13.
Why have Miller as 18th man when he could have played Miller at 7 allowing Abdul to bench and offer an option at half back or 13 into the game
Yes I blame Radford for taking the club backwards in a big way.In fact name me anything positive that Radford has actually done whilst in charge.
he talks of Tuson been a great signing and even has Pearson believing it.WHAT! he is pants a real mr averageJay Pitts is a far better all round player yet gets farmed out.
Then to class Pryce as a marquee signing says it all.

That's must be about 100 times you've posted these comments.

He's a ing idiot. We all know Radford is out of his depth but the bloke is obsessed.

But we aren't operating at full cap. We're currently around £1.2m.

No wonder we're struggling!!

Who on earth told you that?

With the exception of London and maybe Bradford I would be surprised if any team in the league was only operating on £1.2m, and we certainly aren't.

Lee Radford's post match interview for a start!!

He said he's not going to make excuses and doesn't want to talk about why we are operating on a cap of 1.2..

Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Lee Radford's post match interview for a start!! He said he's not going to make excuses and doesn't want to talk about why we are operating on a cap of 1.2..'" Not what he said at the start of the season, and I'd say your outgoings and in comings are fairly equal (from an outside perspective at least) www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html

Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Lee Radford's post match interview for a start!! He said he's not going to make excuses and doesn't want to talk about why we are operating on a cap of 1.2..'" Not what he said at the start of the season, and I'd say your outgoings and in comings are fairly equal (from an outside perspective at least) www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Not what he said at the start of the season, and I'd say your outgoings and in comings are fairly equal (from an outside perspective at least) www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html'" 1. Lies and deceit aren't unusual to Hull FC these days. 2. McDonnell, Pitts, Arundel I'm thinking went out after this. In came Liam Colbon and Seitamata Sa.. Don't think that evens out.

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Not what he said at the start of the season, and I'd say your outgoings and in comings are fairly equal (from an outside perspective at least) www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... story.html'" 1. Lies and deceit aren't unusual to Hull FC these days. 2. McDonnell, Pitts, Arundel I'm thinking went out after this. In came Liam Colbon and Seitamata Sa.. Don't think that evens out.

Your forgetting Carvell, whom is on a wedge according to the Warrington fans - whilst he's not with you any more, it's seemed like you've been struggling to move cap space around ever since he moved to you, and right royally messed you up. As won't have been cheap either, walking away from a cushy union salary. Top it off with a couple of re-signings (shaul who'd of gone from a pittance to a sl salary) and genuinely I'd be amazed if you were 200k under the cap, let alone 400k!

As a point I've been meaning to ask, why is it believed McDonnell was on a big salary? He at most can be on at saints is (clough and gardner - contract extensions for our 3 most promising youngsters) which without knowing the figures could only really be 50k - I doubt he'd take a huge wage drop to stay in the country so it can't of been that much?

Ask Mcrae . Also Miller is supposed to be on a decent wedge aswell.

Carvell isn't with us so his salary no longer counts.

And I'm sure Shannon would rather be earning £50k than nothing!!

The one thing I can't get my head around regarding Radford's appointment is that Pearson gave him a three year contract.

Now, Pearson always seems fairly savvy to me when I hear him talk although I know he's still probably not up to speed on all things RL but three years for an unproven "coach"?

Surely he wouldn't have even considered that when wearing his football club owner's hat.

One year in which to prove himself would have been understandable although one year too much for me but three is just madness.

Did he not take advice from anybody?

Well first off you don't know the arrangements with cas over whose paying carvells salary, hull might be still in part, and even if they aren't, there's every possibility that payments earlier in the year were backdated - as according to radford, you were "nearly up to the cap" when you were in talks with carvell (I can't be bothered to find the article) and signing carvell would mean "others would have to go" - but they never did ...

Your recruitment this year has baffled and confused me, constantly saying that your near to the cap, yet bringing more players in, it was always going to catch up with the team... The McDonnell situation just further confuses me (but I won't go into that)

Fwiw at the start of the year I had you down as 6-8th relatively comfortably. I don't think it's as simple as blaming one man, there seems to be a block (mental or physical) in hull that stops both teams achieving their potential which runs much deeper