Don't get the Brian Smith fixation at all tbh.

For me the players confidence is shot. They're scared to try anything different for fear of failing, and even the basics are now proving difficult because of that. Gentle has maybe failed to sort that out but I'm not sure what he can do when players are flinging passes all over, not backing up when we do manage a break, drop straightforward passes etc etc. Trundle the ball in, pass it to someone who then drops it. Some of the plays look as though they're being made by strangers. Forwards running the ball and almost helping the tacklers stop them. Needs sorting but the players have to take some responsibility too

I'll say it again but we don't have an X factor player like, god forbid, Chase. Every kick off is the SAME. We rarely if ever do anything unexpected. Same old same old.

I don't like criticising the players, but some need to take a long hard look at themselves.

the bit with the confidence could be down to the fans when as soon as they do anything wrong it seems they call for their coaches head or something and start whining as per usual.

None to your one 31 YEARS AGO

We have in fact won it twice since then and appeared in six Challenge cup finals to your one, add onto to that premiership win and a SL grand final appearance to your plate trophy win at Wembley.

Would I swap records with you


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Good game Brucie

I don't disagree

Spot on

It's weird how some supposed fans actually love to hate some players who play for their team.

Probably the money that they pay added with the passion they have for their team makes them frustrated with the player they feel is letting all of that down so much they feel he need to slag them off

Just how many abject performances have we chucked out this season , Same mistakes week in week out , Same moves , Same result . Same excuses in the local rag .

For me, I'm gutted Gentle is struggling. I honestly thought he could be the man to bring success to this club. I just don't understand how he can go from rallying his troops in the way that he did against Wire in the CC, to tonight's performance. They just didn't look interested. I was bored watching. I'm just disappointed with how this year has panned out (wembley aside)... Gutted.

Pretty much how I feel too. I don't understand how we can be so inconsistent, looking very good one week to very poor the next.

Seen enough this season and tonight in particular to suggest that we are going to struggle in 2014. If Adam wants my cash then he's going to have to show more than that.

Lightweight squad, low on experience , even lower on quality, some good prospects, but there is too little quality coming through to make us serious contenders.

Same here we had a very good month in May we beat London easily then went and beat Wakefield in the Challenge Cup, we then went and won at Warrington at there ground and produced a very good display there when no on really expected it and then followed them wins up at Manchester beating KR and also beating Leeds at home. We lost our next four games then we produced an excellent display at Perpignan in the quarter final then played poorly at Bradford the week after but after that we played brilliantly in beating Warrington in the Semi Final of the Challenge Cup then we won our next three games then after that we produced a disappointing display at Wembley, the week after we beat Wigans youngsters but we also played some youngsters then we played poorly yesterday.

To me that is a very inconsistent season we have some great wins there but also some very disappointing games aswell. I just don't know how they can turn up one week and not the next.

Doesn't help when Gentle shrugs and admits he doesn't know why this happens ... or could this be part of his cunning plan?

I don't know about a cunning plan but perhaps this wasn't treated as an all or nothing game in terms of getting some of the players carrying injuries out on the pitch.

Next week it is everything on the line and this (and hopefully the subsequent ones) is the game that the season should be judged on.

Last night was bad but it was the first real tonking on the scoreboard all season, which is not to say that there haven't been some poor efforts. It makes sense to reserve judgement until then - some of the reactions on here have been way OTT as usual.

Wouldn't disagree with that. We need some players back though. Hopefully Ellis and Lynch? Think the other 6 (McDonnell, Lineham, Crooks, Arundel, Galea, O'Meley) are done for the season.

It is a mystery. A lot of players seem to lack the mental strength to play consistently at the level required. At the moment some decent players are struggling to catch a rugby ball and as Gentle says in the mail our skill levels are 'appalling'. We were missing our three toughest players last night (by that I don't mean just physically although they probably are but profssionally and mentally) in O Meley, Lynch and Ellis. Without them there doesn't appear to be any leadership.

I'm sorry, but that's just rubbish. There are professional athletes/players. when they're on the pitch the only thing they should be concentrating on is the game they are playing and the same goes for off it as well. If they've got time to be listening and worrying about what the fans are saying whilst on the pitch then they shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch in the first place.

I've said it before and ill stick by it... We've got the most overrated half back leading us around the pitch. He's like the pied piper, everyone loves him when he has 1 good game in 7. Holdsworth is the worst 'first choice' half we've had for a long time!!

We are desperate I this area. So we allow Salford to sign Chase out of pride/greed.

Worrying thing for me is that we just aren't getting better with ball in hand. We look like an amateur team at times. Passing is painfully slow, no one seems to know what they're supposed to do, there are no dummy runners, support play is poor and creativity is almost non existent.

Late in the game we had miller, holdsworth, horne, heremaia and Houghton on the pitch and still looked clueless

That's cos, most of the time the were all stood within 5mtrs of each other!! Heremaia is the most dangerous.. Now, who signed him??

Very frustrating to watch heremaia dart out of dummy half to commit defenders only to turn around and have no one there supporting him

Westerman and Holdsworth are simply not good enough.

Westerman showed promise at Cas but they're hardly a yardstick for success. The only decent player they had was Chase and he was bought in.

Wigan got the better of Salfords half-backs and we got someone who can kick but quite simply, cannot lead a team or unlock a defence in the 20. We have strike players (when fit) who can punish from distance but we're fecking clueless attacking at the line.

Sure, last night we missed Watts, Lynch, Ogre and Ellis - 4 giant players who will hurt. Our forwards couldn't punch a hole through fog last night.

Our passing skills are woeful, we simply can't pass and catch. BASIC rugby league taught at a 6 year old level.

Release Gentle, let Lasty and Radders take command. 2 local lads who will beat some pride into that shambolic set of players.

Release list:

Westerman - Can't believe we paid nearly 200k for this guy.
Holdsworth - Thorman Mk II
Horne - Carrying him now.
Yeaman - past his best.
Johnson - ineffective
Crookes - Poor, lower league and a PR disaster
Gentle - good in patches, bench strategy leaves a lot to be desired.

Of our 2013 recruitment, only McDonnell and Ellis have been worthwhile and we're not using Ellis properly.

thought he played did he get injured ?

After sleeping on it I partly agree with the above but would instead of getting rid of Gentle I would maybe add one or more attacking coaches, Sean Long? Also don't think they lack passion they just look knackered so maybe take another look at conditioning?