either way he's fine, if he doesn't get a job paying more than £21k (probably nearer £23 by the time he graduates) then he'll pay nothing, if he gets a job earning £60k by the time he is 30 then he'll pay it back fairly quickly.

They can pay for it from the prescription charges. Oh hang on......

So much for the average student being better off. A 9% additional tax for the majority of your working life. What a fantastic incentive to improve yourself and contribute to your country's future prosperity.

The sooner we grant them independence the better. Saw the place off and float it out into the North Sea.

9% on income - minus 21k tax free allowance

Yes they are, a student's debts will be around £38000....what in your opinion am I not comprehending?

Also am I right in thinkiing your not educated at University level and you have no children to fund through University

The problem is that many jobs that need a £9k/yr degree won't pay anything like £60k/yr. Most engineering jobs for example. Which means that people on lower salaries will end up paying more for their degrees than people on higher salaries. Farcical.

Great news, glad that prat Minns is out

what difference does it make if I do or don't have a degree?

I bet you agree with the 50% tax band because you'll never have to pay it


(see, easy this baseless bat$hittery, isn't it)

Correct...let us consider Hull very few people earn £60k, the average earings in Hull are 23k.
People are also forgetting the majority of students often have to go into digs, they need to have money for bills, foods etc, unless they have parents who fund all this (most of us cannot afford to on our earnings), they then have to take out student loans....It is shambolic!

It's still a huge bucket of cash for the [iaverage[/i student. Not seeing the incentive yet TBH.

And when Maggie had brought in the options for tenants buy their council house, why did she also stop councils from replenishing their stocks using the monies paid for this purpose so they could make sure there would the capital available to reinvest in social housing for poor people. Did she? Did she hell!!
Now, we have no houses for social tenants to 'bid for'.......only places to line the pockets of richer landlords...and these do not do repairs, and some, or so I saw like that Police Crime officer who had found a good scam of "buying council tenants via 'right to buy' and then robbing the poor once again.
I would love to know up the outcome of the that scam shown on tv this past week........grannyfan Cindy

If you had attended University or funded a child you would appreciate the costs involved...accomodation, food, bills etc and have a realistic view of the situation. So as you see it is not just about £9k fee,s it is paying back student loans, the pressure put on middle class families to support children etc etc.

I (eventually) worked hard for my degree, had to have a job during my degree, didn't live at home, and have left with debts of around £30k.....

So what? I chose to do the degree in the knowledge that my average income will be higher because of it

Look at the US, they charge about 4 times more than we do for a degree, and it certainly hasn't harmed their society,

university should be based on a cost benefit scenario,

if the benefits outway the costs, then do it, if they don't, then don't

I went to University for 14 weeks and realised I was being taught out of date skills on out of date systems, I left, I got a job, I am now qualified in my field beyond masters level, all self funded.

You're not wrong. My parents were just above the boundary so I didn't get a grant or bursary too, meaning I got the minimum loan to pay off my bills and food etc, but my parents were in no position to support me financially.

Mazel tov for doing so well, but a lot of people aren't so lucky.

Same here, but I was on the system where the fees needed to be paid upfront - not like now

You have failed to comment on the realistic view, accomodation costs, fuel ect

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I chose to do my degree because I was smart enough to do one and it would have been a waste not to. For most of my early graduate career I was earning less than people with no education to speak of at all. Education shouldn't be all about the money.


If I wanted to do things the way they do them in the USA I'd go live there.


I couldn't disagree more strongly. Education should be about realising your full potential.

LUCKY?

believe me, anything I have achieved hasn't been down to luck.

considering they are in lectures for less than 12-14 hours a week, they could, oh, I don't know, it's a bit radical...GET A JOB?

anyway, this just goes to show the inability of some people to vote in regional elections on regional issues.

this thread belongs on the Sin Bin now

You've never had a lucky break? Not one? Ever?

Blimey - how many mirrors did you break as a lad?