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| Quote ="downtheante"So to recap.... we have played how many competitive games this season? Erm..... count 'em..... I make it one.... erm tw.... no.... it's definitely one. I mean, I might be jumping to conclusions here but... do you think you all might be off yer heads? Just imagine you going in to work and having an off-day and you're all kicked out because you're obviously rubbish. I can hear it now "oh well that's different, he's a professional rugby league player - no room for errors - we've carried him for several seasons" etc. There's a thread on here about players we love to hate. I am amazed that it isn't full of people naming the current squad members.'"
Where have I said drop him after 1 game ? Where have I said we have carried him for several years ?
Take my word for it I am not off my head!!
I believe he did not have a good game and needs to improve. I personally do not rate him he drops too much ball..You nedd to get of off your high horse
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| Quote ="knocker norton"If you change passionate to over enthusiastic then I think the point is valid. To play prop in Super League you must have incredible controlled aggression, you spend all game smashing into 17-18 stone blokes trying to win the collision!
As already stated it was Kingys first game in near 11 months and he didnt control or channel that aggression as effectively as he should. Not acceptable but certainly understandable.
For the first couple of weeks we are going to see rustiness from a few players until they get into the swing of things.'"
Thats fair enough, but for someone with a chequered past, who got a contract through the skin of his teeth, you would think that with all that pre season time, which is some years he has not had, to focus and get things 100% right come game day.
Cusack, Dowes, Radford etc were not rusty, but they have had teh same preparation time.
But we still get the apologists on here defending a particular player simply on teh basis of his birthplace. As evidence has shown in the past some of out overseas players do not get the same support. Why is that?
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Thats fair enough, but for someone with a chequered past, who got a contract through the skin of his teeth, you would think that with all that pre season time, which is some years he has not had, to focus and get things 100% right come game day.
Cusack, Dowes, Radford etc were not rusty, but they have had teh same preparation time.
But we still get the apologists on here defending a particular player simply on teh basis of his birthplace. As evidence has shown in the past some of out overseas players do not get the same support. Why is that?'"
I would argue that the game at Leeds which King missed puts him at a disadvantage fitness and preperation wise.
I agree though that he should be alot smarter and the fact that he comes from Hull is irrelevant (or certainly should be!).
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| Quote ="knocker norton"I agree though that he should be alot smarter and the fact that he comes from Hull is irrelevant (or certainly should be!).'"
Doesnt save Radders the stick does it. Or is that cos he grew up as a rovers fan and not a Hull fan like Kingy!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Doesnt save Radders the stick does it. Or is that cos he grew up as a rovers fan and not a Hull fan like Kingy!
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I think Radford sometimes suffers for some of his less than complimentry comments about the fans
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"I think Radford sometimes suffers for some of his less than complimentry comments about the fans
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Most of which are spot on!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Most of which are spot on!
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The thing is personally any criticism I level at players or any defending of players is based purely on my opinion of their form etc, all this bloox about local lads or overseas players is irrelevant to me.
King has been out for a long time, he obviously wanted to make a big impression in his first game back and he ended up being a little too revved up and it resulted in a poor game. If in 3/4 games time he is still underperforming then lets look at him.
Consequently anyone who has played well in the first game needs to be consistent and not go missing for 2/3 weeks.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Indeed.
The thing is personally any criticism I level at players or any defending of players is based purely on my opinion of their form etc, all this bloox about local lads or overseas players is irrelevant to me.
King has been out for a long time, he obviously wanted to make a big impression in his first game back and he ended up being a little too revved up and it resulted in a poor game. If in 3/4 games time he is still underperforming then lets look at him.
Consequently anyone who has played well in the first game needs to be consistent and not go missing for 2/3 weeks.'"
Agree 100%, so long as he (and no other player) actually "costs us" a game, then they should get dropped for the next match.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Indeed.
The thing is personally any criticism I level at players or any defending of players is based purely on my opinion of their form etc, all this bloox about local lads or overseas players is irrelevant to me.
King has been out for a long time, he obviously wanted to make a big impression in his first game back and he ended up being a little too revved up and it resulted in a poor game. If in 3/4 games time he is still underperforming then lets look at him.
Consequently anyone who has played well in the first game needs to be consistent and not go missing for 2/3 weeks.'"
That is exactly what I said as we walked away from the ground the other night. I must admit I am not a lover of Kingy and never have been nevertheless I do believe with it being his first game back his eagerness to impress was possibly his downfall !
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| The blokes got his timing wrong thats all. These big hits come off and the fans and the players lift massively ala Korkidas last season.
Every side needs a player with a bit of a mean streak in them and Paul King is the only player in our squad that can live up to this.
Anyone defending him is accused of doing so purely because he's a Hull lad. Absolute rubbish! Many people find themselves defending players mainly because they're embarrassed at how vindictive some of their own fans can be towards certain players.
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"The blokes got his timing wrong thats all. These big hits come off and the fans and the players lift massively ala Korkidas last season.
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His timing is wrong??
Likening him to Korkidas is harsh though, hes tripe!
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"The blokes got his timing wrong thats all.'"
Yup.
By around 2 years.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"His timing is wrong??
Likening him to Korkidas is harsh though, hes tripe!'"
Im not likening him to Korkidas I was highlighting one of his big hits on Korkidas before his injury last season.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Sorry Cindy your way off the mark, yes we love passion, but discipline is a major part too and for too many years a lot of our players have been getting it easy off the field.
King was below the mark on Friday and im sure he'll admit that himself. Will gove him a few games to get upto speed and then judge him from there on'"
Sorry Huch, Kingy's passion is still what I hope he keeps every time he pulls on the b&w irregular hoops-----He's fit this season and just watch him after a few more games. I do not think any of our lads have lacked discipline off the field in the recent seasons, but certainly I have seen a few games were a lot of them lacked anysort of passion for the game .....check back posts for those games,I know you are well able, and see how fans complained then. The first few games have the adrenalin surging through us fans, so obviousely it's going to be there in the team....I least, I for, one hope it is. So again, I stand by what I said, Hope Sharpy remembers what it's like to actually run out to play for the FC....(I remember those days, even if he's forgotten them) and we'll have some good wins this season to make up for our disappointing last year when we suffered with too many injuries......grannyfan Cindy
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Where have I said drop him after 1 game ? Where have I said we have carried him for several years ?
Take my word for it I am not off my head!!
I believe he did not have a good game and needs to improve. I personally do not rate him he drops too much ball..You nedd to get of off your high horse
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I can see he didn't have a great game - I even commented to my mate at the game to that effect. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to have a dig on an open forum after one game when the guy has been out for a long time and probably wanted to make an impression. So, I'm off my high horse. have you parked yours up as well?
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| But there is no need for the attempts of a big hit every tackle he tries to make. Probally 1 will come of every 10 attempts with Kingy and we lose plenty of yards due to this.
The one decent tackle he did make, he ended up laying on and resulted in a penalty!
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"But there is no need for the attempts of a big hit every tackle he tries to make. Probally 1 will come of every 10 attempts with Kingy and we lose plenty of yards due to this.
The one decent tackle he did make, he ended up laying on and resulted in a penalty!
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What about the one on Fielden? As I said before that took him out the game. As for the laying on, it wasnt like it was bad discipline, he just stumbled when getting up fell back onto the player while trying to regain his feet.
Also I think the reason he wasnt brought back on was due to him having pain killing injections in his shoulder to play, with Dowes, Radford and Cusack all playing out their skins, there is no point risking injury to his shoulder.
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| Quote ="gazcoops"What about the one on Fielden? As I said before that took him out the game. As for the laying on, it wasnt like it was bad discipline, he just stumbled when getting up fell back onto the player while trying to regain his feet.
Also I think the reason he wasnt brought back on was due to him having pain killing injections in his shoulder to play, with Dowes, Radford and Cusack all playing out their skins, there is no point risking injury to his shoulder.'"
Did it ?
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| Quote ="THE BOARD"Did it ?'"
I didnt notice Fielden do anything significant in the second half, and just after the hit, he sure looked startled, half time couldnt have come sooner for him.
Also I did notice some players avoiding Kingy after that hit, they was changing their runs when they realised that they was going to run into him.
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| i like kingy but he wa pretty poor but no wores than thackery
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| Quote ="gazcoops"What about the one on Fielden? As I said before that took him out the game. As for the laying on, it wasnt like it was bad discipline, he just stumbled when getting up fell back onto the player while trying to regain his feet.
Also I think the reason he wasnt brought back on was due to him having pain killing injections in his shoulder to play, with Dowes, Radford and Cusack all playing out their skins, there is no point risking injury to his shoulder.'"
Correct had trouble with his AC joint in his shoulder, training ground accident with dowes i believe
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| Quote ="gazcoops"What about the one on Fielden? As I said before that took him out the game. As for the laying on, it wasnt like it was bad discipline, he just stumbled when getting up fell back onto the player while trying to regain his feet.
Also I think the reason he wasnt brought back on was due to him having pain killing injections in his shoulder to play, with Dowes, Radford and Cusack all playing out their skins, there is no point risking injury to his shoulder.'"
the reason wasnt that,sharp didnt want him to go back on cos he was to hyper
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| Quote ="gazcoops"I didnt notice Fielden do anything significant in the second half, and just after the hit, he sure looked startled, half time couldnt have come sooner for him.
Also I did notice some players avoiding Kingy after that hit, they was changing their runs when they realised that they was going to run into him.'"
My nan could have avoided Kingy in that game We dont want them to avoid him we want them to be tackled by him.
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| Quote ="Lee Tucker FC Fan 2006"funny i thou Richard Agar was 1st team coach
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