Guess you have never seen Keating play, he is a runner and not a Dobson type player.

I'm not convinced Burns and him will work.

We need to keep Miller, unless we have someone better lined up (which I doubt) then he is a must, certainly showed potential and with a full pre-season and playing with Horne I think he will work out well.

I like Mcdonnell, but it wouldn't be a disaster if he left.

Correct they have all spent well to recruit the right men from the list of HBs available or HBs following the money, what have we got so far? AP needs to spend and i think he will........

on whom?

Hopefully on at least one dirty great shoitehouse of a prop that can help lay a foundation to get the half-backs we have got rolling.

certainly what we need, a bully to boss the middle of the park.

The more experience and game-time Jacob got, the more I was impressed with him. He is a genuine scrum-half whose enthusiasm and willingness to get involved in every play was a breath of fresh air. For anybody to say it wouldn't be a big loss is madness in my opinion.

We had already signed Miller and Holdsworth when Chase, Smith and Walsh changed clubs. We it's was never a decision as they weren't available at that time.

Millers job isn't to organise us around the field, that's Holdsworths.

But how did salford get the visa sorted for Chase? and we couldnt? or did we just give up early?

His circumstances changed.

Or we got ed off in negotiations with him and/or Cas.

Pick one.

The main object was to encourage believers to buy a pass,and it worked.This seasons beauty is buy a pass and your one of us,dont buy one and your out of favour. Desperation

Seems Miller is getting the blame for not doing Holdsworth's job.

I thought we just gave it a deadline for the visa to come through and heard he would never get 1 for a new employer? then several months later hes gets 1, maybe because hes sort of british nowadays with his english roots.

Were not a desperate club bud.

Were not a desperate club bud.

So his circumstances changed, you've just answered your own question.

Correct. Holdsworth leads us around the park, especially with his kicking game and Miller is the jack-in-the-box that takes the line on more. I have every faith in them as an half-back partnership, especially with a full season together, hopefully.

problem with holdsworth he is a lazy player imo, he chooses which games he wants to play, after the semi final in the challenge cup he went missing for the rest of the season!

I haven't seen keating but he's played in an NRL grand final so can't be that bad

But he can't be that great either because the season following his grand final game he's hardly been picked to play.
Doesn't mean he won't go well in SL. Time will tell.

Bingo.

Although TBF, Holdsworth seemed happy to stand back and let Miller try and do it all at times so maybe that's where the confusion has arisen.

at last somebody talking sense

But that doesn't mean he'll be very good either. Look through the team lists of the finalists of the last few years and there are players there who have had unexceptional Super League careers afterwards. And that doesn't take into account whether the player has the right style of play to fully benefit the team.

If Miller goes it needs to be done now, whoever we have needs a full pre-season. I'd be prepared to give give Miller the chance as long as he's happy here but its not my call.

Jesus. A 20 year old half back thrown into the 1 st team (literally straight off the plane) with little 1st grade experience what did you lot expect. Poor kid should have been given last season to adjust to life here and know your systems. Instead straight into the fray with every back rower in the league targeting him in defence and no time to know what is expected of him.

Give the kid a chance he looks very talented to me but needs looking after and developing.

As for the comment about Holdsworth being lazy and choosing his games. Alarm bells should have rung when he had an extral MONTH off for his honeymoon last pre season and turned up JUST in time for the warm weather camp.

For me he was the worst of the then Salford backs made to look good by Patton, Moon, Gleeson, Broughton, Matty Smith etc.

Unless we get some star from the RLWC its looking like Horney will partner Miller for the start of 2014.