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| History is written by those in power. Personally I still have major problems with Pearson and Radford (mostly Pearson) attributing all of our cap ills to Gentle & McRae, they were both at the club all that time, too. I'd sooner just judge the coaches on what they get out of the players they have available, and apart from about half a dozen games bookending the season, I still think Gentle was better than Radford has been so far.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"We have two possible scenarios here. Either 1865 is full of 5hit (this is the more likely one). Or he really has been told these things by Radford.
If he is telling the truth, and Radford has been divulging things like player salaries to random people in west park, surely this is enough to get him sacked anyway?'"
Can you please point out where I've mentioned salary figures? I haven't because I don't know them. It's not difficult to work out that Pitts would be on a lot more than Hadley, but how much is surprising. In a salary cap sport when value for money is key are you happy to have Pitts on a 6-figure salary? (Reported in many places, not just on here).
It's the usual idiots that want to push their anti-Radford rhetoric and it's boring. Who knows if he's the right man long term, but whoever was in charge was going to have to do the job Radford is doing in terms of restructuring, and they'd probably be getting the same results.
AP told Smiggs on here that we're not playing with a full salary cap, yet our wage bill is over £2.2m. People don't want to know that though.
To be able to get things right on the pitch you need things right off the pitch, that's a fact. Why not just let AP and LR get on with it and judge them over a longer time span than 9 months?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"History is written by those in power. Personally I still have major problems with Pearson and Radford (mostly Pearson) attributing all of our cap ills to Gentle & McRae, they were both at the club all that time, too. I'd sooner just judge the coaches on what they get out of the players they have available, and apart from about half a dozen games bookending the season, I still think Gentle was better than Radford has been so far.'"
yup
it's a results business, and not once has Lee held his hand up, always someone else to blame. Mark of a weak bully.
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| Any news on Taylor or just another thread repeating the same boring tripe ?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Can you please point out where I've mentioned salary figures? I haven't because I don't know them. It's not difficult to work out that Pitts would be on a lot more than Hadley, but how much is surprising. In a salary cap sport when value for money is key are you happy to have Pitts on a 6-figure salary? (Reported in many places, not just on here).
It's the usual idiots that want to push their anti-Radford rhetoric and it's boring. Who knows if he's the right man long term, but whoever was in charge was going to have to do the job Radford is doing in terms of restructuring, and they'd probably be getting the same results.
AP told Smiggs on here that we're not playing with a full salary cap, yet our wage bill is over £2.2m. People don't want to know that though.
To be able to get things right on the pitch you need things right off the pitch, that's a fact. Why not just let AP and LR get on with it and judge them over a longer time span than 9 months?'"
How do you know Gentle wouldn't improved on a 6th place finish and a challenge cup runners up, maybe it was Gentle and Hull who needed rid of Radford and the people who wasn't on board with Gentle, maybe the restructuring wasn't as complicated as needed to be
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"How do you know Gentle wouldn't improved on a 6th place finish and a challenge cup runners up, maybe it was Gentle and Hull who needed rid of Radford and the people who wasn't on board with Gentle, maybe the restructuring wasn't as complicated as needed to be'"
Ap has been quoted as saying our salary cap expenditure was hopeless. He got rid of the 2 culprits responsible. He's employed Radford to do a job. AP appears happy with the results so far. Our recruitment has gone well so far and more to come apparently. If I was a betting man, of course I'm not, I'd put money on you, Standee an Bonaire being one and the same person. Every thread derailed into a Radford slag fest!!!!
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Ap has been quoted as saying our salary cap expenditure was hopeless. He got rid of the 2 culprits responsible. He's employed Radford to do a job. AP appears happy with the results so far. Our recruitment has gone well so far and more to come apparently. If I was a betting man, of course I'm not, I'd put money on you, Standee an Bonaire being one and the same person. Every thread derailed into a Radford slag fest!!!!'"
yup, our league position is to be proud of...
slag fest, nope, accurate depiction of current circumstance and hope for the future, aye.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Ap has been quoted as saying our salary cap expenditure was hopeless. He got rid of the 2 culprits responsible. He's employed Radford to do a job. AP appears happy with the results so far. Our recruitment has gone well so far and more to come apparently. If I was a betting man, of course I'm not, I'd put money on you, Standee an Bonaire being one and the same person. Every thread derailed into a Radford slag fest!!!!'"
Well report it then.Im certain it will be against the rules to register under different names.
Wont get you far as we are not the same people just not part of the cuddle crew on here
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| Quote ="*1865*"Crooks' defence isn't good enough to play reserve grade NRL. Premier sports are covering the Holden cup this weekend, standard is as good if not better than SL according to some ex pats I know out there.'"
Oddly when he was ripping Leeds apart scoring tries for fun at the KC and being top scorer, i didnt turn to the guy next to me and say "hes rubbish and cant defend, he should be released"
He never said that to me either.
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| Quote ="bonaire" Arundel showed Hull what he can do scoring 2 tries against us.
If you want to look at Bad signings look no further than Colbon,and Tuson.Wont mention Carvell.
Who signed them?'"
Stephen Hawkings with a flat bettery would have scored against us, hell, even the Terrible worst player ever Ben Crooks would score against us. But of course, he not employed to score, he must make 50 tackles a game, if he doesnt, sack him
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| Quote ="*1865*"I've still got the PM's he sent me about it.'"
FFS just read Lee Crooks book, its in there. Its not a secret. Page 184 to help you out
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"We have two possible scenarios here. Either 1865 is full of 5hit (this is the more likely one). Or he really has been told these things by Radford.
If he is telling the truth, and Radford has been divulging things like player salaries to random people in west park, surely this is enough to get him sacked anyway?'"
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| Quote ="*1865*"
AP told Smiggs on here that we're not playing with a full salary cap, yet our wage bill is over £2.2m. People don't want to know that though.
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Its not a big secret. At the now defunt fans forum (pre season) AP said we have £250k off cap (Horne, Yeaman, Whiting and Biggs), and still room on cap.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Ap has been quoted as saying our salary cap expenditure was hopeless. He got rid of the 2 culprits responsible. He's employed Radford to do a job. AP appears happy with the results so far. Our recruitment has gone well so far and more to come apparently. If I was a betting man, of course I'm not, I'd put money on you, Standee an Bonaire being one and the same person. Every thread derailed into a Radford slag fest!!!!'"
I wasn't actually slating Radford or attempting to derail this thread, I was asking a question, and I wasn't asking you, I think you'll find my posts are nothing like Standees or Bonaire, why does me not been optimistic about Radford been the man in charge bother you, just my opinion, I certainly don't post anything that's worthy of you accusing me of having several accounts. I hope he his the man, but all this blind faith is getting a little sickly
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Oddly when he was ripping Leeds apart scoring tries for fun at the KC and being top scorer, i didnt turn to the guy next to me and say "hes rubbish and cant defend, he should be released"
He never said that to me either.'"
I take it you don't sit next to lee crooks or radford then?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"History is written by those in power. Personally I still have major problems with Pearson and Radford (mostly Pearson) attributing all of our cap ills to Gentle & McRae, they were both at the club all that time, too.'"
Pearson admitted he was partly responsible for the cap fiasco in that interview he did a few weeks back.
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| Well the OP is not happening anyway.
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| Watch the wire v Wigan match tonight and ask yourself honestly would ben crooks live with this defensive intensity ?
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| Is taylor injured or dropped?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Is taylor injured or dropped?'"
Naughty step for wanting to join the mighty Hull FC .
Not 100%sure but think he's been playing for wigan's duel reg club last couple of games
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| Quote ="*1865*"
AP told Smiggs on here that we're not playing with a full salary cap, yet our wage bill is over £2.2m. People don't want to know that though.
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Including non-playing staff, then that's unsurprising
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Watch the wire v Wigan match tonight and ask yourself honestly would ben crooks live with this defensive intensity ?'"
Him and Welham would have slotted in well tonight
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| Quote ="Kosh"Pearson admitted he was partly responsible for the cap fiasco in that interview he did a few weeks back.'"
OK, substitute most for all.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Including non-playing staff, then that's unsurprising'"
£2.2mill for all wages including non playing staff, if we are at about £1.7 to £1.8 on players (remember the off cap salaries) then £400k on non playing staff is small.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"£2.2mill for all wages including non playing staff, if we are at about £1.7 to £1.8 on players (remember the off cap salaries) then £400k on non playing staff is small.'"
It's not including non-playing staff.
Got to remember that we've still been paying McDonell, Pitts & Arundel plus we're paying towards some of Carvells wage at Cas, plus the money we still owe Willie Manu.
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