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| Quote ="BraddersFC"Ad hominem again!
You can't address the argument, so you attack the arguer.
My premises stand:
There's nothing that Horne's done this year that can't be done comfortably by another capable halfback given the promise that the rest of the squad has. He has had the majority of a mediocre season thus far, with only peak in form for the previous few games, performing at the standard we should demand of our halfback to play at every week. This peak is not justified by the other mediocre performances Horne has put in this season so far.
And the conclusion:
We will NOT be making any impact in the playoffs against the top teams if he's in your top 3 and your standards stay the same. More importantly, if Gentle's standards reflect yours.
I'd love to be proven wrong folks, but it seems you're all incapable of showing me instances where Horne has performed at this level for the majority of the year.
Hint: have a look at the games and see what he's done, or the lack of what he's done.'"
People aren't addressing your argument because you don't seem to have one. Quite apart from how well you think Horne has been performing or not, your assertion that his abilities as a top four halfback have any bearing at all on how he has compared to his teammates is complete and utter nonsense. |
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I get it now. Bradders is right. Horne did nothing at the start of the season. At least not in the first game against Leeds because he wasn't chosen. From then on, I'm afraid Bradders is talking B**l*cks
Horne’s first game of the season against Bradford:
The latter started in a new-look half-back partnership with Richard Horne, who responded to being left out at Leeds with a man of the match display.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2Rm9kubP9
Horne’s 2nd game:
For the second successive week Holdsworth forged a fruitful partnership with Horne, with the duo complementing each other in a combination Hull seem set to stick with for the foreseeable future
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmAfMphF
His 3rd game
Despite missing key playmaker Daniel Holdsworth because of concussion, Hull proved more than a match for last season's beaten Grand Finalists for 60 minutes of a tight and entertaining affair.
On his 350th Hull performance, Richard Horne's methodical kicking game and his side's robust defence earned them a platform to win the game, before Warrington cut loose as Hull fell away.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmBbZojn
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook
And his 4th game, against Cas
What Friday showed is that our right edge is developing. We have always had strike on our left edge, but now we are starting to get strike on our right as well."
"Richard Horne has played a big part in how well they've done and his service to the young guys out wide has been exceptional
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmCkWQxo
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I get it now. Bradders is right. Horne did nothing at the start of the season. At least not in the first game against Leeds because he wasn't chosen. From then on, I'm afraid Bradders is talking B**l*cks
Horne’s first game of the season against Bradford:
The latter started in a new-look half-back partnership with Richard Horne, who responded to being left out at Leeds with a man of the match display.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2Rm9kubP9
Horne’s 2nd game:
For the second successive week Holdsworth forged a fruitful partnership with Horne, with the duo complementing each other in a combination Hull seem set to stick with for the foreseeable future
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmAfMphF
His 3rd game
Despite missing key playmaker Daniel Holdsworth because of concussion, Hull proved more than a match for last season's beaten Grand Finalists for 60 minutes of a tight and entertaining affair.
On his 350th Hull performance, Richard Horne's methodical kicking game and his side's robust defence earned them a platform to win the game, before Warrington cut loose as Hull fell away.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmBbZojn
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook
And his 4th game, against Cas
What Friday showed is that our right edge is developing. We have always had strike on our left edge, but now we are starting to get strike on our right as well."
"Richard Horne has played a big part in how well they've done and his service to the young guys out wide has been exceptional
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmCkWQxo
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Even if you prove that Horne assisted tries in games other than the previous 4 you still of you work ahead of you. You still need to prove that given the promise that the rest of the squad that there's anything that 'Horne's done this year that can't be done comfortably by another capable halfback'.
Also try assists are a pretty arbitrary statistic considering it's only judged by the last player to touch the ball before the try scorer. Doesn't automatically show that Horne's in the top 3 players of the year, or that his performances lately are anything other than a peak of form.
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Quote ="The Prof"I get it now. Bradders is right. Horne did nothing at the start of the season. At least not in the first game against Leeds because he wasn't chosen. From then on, I'm afraid Bradders is talking B**l*cks
Horne’s first game of the season against Bradford:
The latter started in a new-look half-back partnership with Richard Horne, who responded to being left out at Leeds with a man of the match display.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2Rm9kubP9
Horne’s 2nd game:
For the second successive week Holdsworth forged a fruitful partnership with Horne, with the duo complementing each other in a combination Hull seem set to stick with for the foreseeable future
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmAfMphF
His 3rd game
Despite missing key playmaker Daniel Holdsworth because of concussion, Hull proved more than a match for last season's beaten Grand Finalists for 60 minutes of a tight and entertaining affair.
On his 350th Hull performance, Richard Horne's methodical kicking game and his side's robust defence earned them a platform to win the game, before Warrington cut loose as Hull fell away.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmBbZojn
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook
And his 4th game, against Cas
What Friday showed is that our right edge is developing. We have always had strike on our left edge, but now we are starting to get strike on our right as well."
"Richard Horne has played a big part in how well they've done and his service to the young guys out wide has been exceptional
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmCkWQxo
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook'"
This is more like it. Now we're arguing properly. Thank God for that.
Although, all you've seemed to have done is copy and paste third party sources that mention Horne. I don't really care about what people say about Horne, I want to know special things he does each game to warrant a place in the top 3 players thus far. A "methodical kicking game" is too opinion based for me. Sorry. |
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Quote ="The Prof"I get it now. Bradders is right. Horne did nothing at the start of the season. At least not in the first game against Leeds because he wasn't chosen. From then on, I'm afraid Bradders is talking B**l*cks
Horne’s first game of the season against Bradford:
The latter started in a new-look half-back partnership with Richard Horne, who responded to being left out at Leeds with a man of the match display.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2Rm9kubP9
Horne’s 2nd game:
For the second successive week Holdsworth forged a fruitful partnership with Horne, with the duo complementing each other in a combination Hull seem set to stick with for the foreseeable future
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmAfMphF
His 3rd game
Despite missing key playmaker Daniel Holdsworth because of concussion, Hull proved more than a match for last season's beaten Grand Finalists for 60 minutes of a tight and entertaining affair.
On his 350th Hull performance, Richard Horne's methodical kicking game and his side's robust defence earned them a platform to win the game, before Warrington cut loose as Hull fell away.
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmBbZojn
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook
And his 4th game, against Cas
What Friday showed is that our right edge is developing. We have always had strike on our left edge, but now we are starting to get strike on our right as well."
"Richard Horne has played a big part in how well they've done and his service to the young guys out wide has been exceptional
Read more: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... z2RmCkWQxo
Follow us: @thisishull on Twitter | thisishull on Facebook'"
This is more like it. Now we're arguing properly. Thank God for that.
Although, all you've seemed to have done is copy and paste third party sources that mention Horne. I don't really care about what people say about Horne, I want to know special things he does each game to warrant a place in the top 3 players thus far. A "methodical kicking game" is too opinion based for me. Sorry. | |
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| Quote ="BraddersFC"Even if you prove that Horne assisted tries in games other than the previous 4 you still of you work ahead of you. You still need to prove that given the promise that the rest of the squad that there's anything that 'Horne's done this year that can't be done comfortably by another capable halfback'.'"
Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. He's being compared to the rest of the squad. That's [iour[/i squad by the way, so your assorted mumblings about top 4 sides are also irrelevant.
Quote ="BraddersFC"Also try assists are a pretty arbitrary statistic considering it's only judged by the last player to touch the ball before the try scorer. Doesn't automatically show that Horne's in the top 3 players of the year, or that his performances lately are anything other than a peak of form.'"
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| Quote ="BraddersFC"Hint: have a look at the games and see what he's done, or the lack of what he's done.'"
Hint: I have. I've seen every single game, and more importantly every single try. The latter multiple times. |
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| Quote ="BraddersFC"1 - Try again, I can provide examples of why Horne's season so far has only been mediocre with a recent peak of form..'"
Just because this is getting boring now with you repeating the same crap over & over, I'll humour you, provide your examples. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. He's being compared to the rest of the squad. That's [iour[/i squad by the way, so your assorted mumblings about top 4 sides are also irrelevant.
Classic. The stats destroy your argument so now you have to attack them.
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Well we don't have another halfback who's fit in the squad, so you're saying you're comparing Horne's performances as a halfback to other players playing different positions? Seems a bit fishy. Are you judging Horne's performances on what he creates in a game (that's his job as a halfback as opposed to the other players you're comparing him too) or just his effort?
I don't see how a single statistic "destroys" my argument. Sorry. It goes towards your argument, but as I've already said, that single number is quite disputable and it's not certain whether it discredits mine. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. '"
Even if he was, it's a dog argument. Can a halfback only be said to be playing well if they're regularly doing stuff that is beyond the abilities of other 'capable halfbacks'? |
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Even if he was, it's a dog argument. Can a halfback only be said to be playing well if they're regularly doing stuff that is beyond the abilities of other 'capable halfbacks'?'"
They're playing mediocre otherwise. Yes. |
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I'm as skeptical about statistics as anyone. However, you'd have to have an enormous sampling error in order to make any significant difference to Horne's showing relative to other halfbacks - all of whom are being assessed using the same methods. Moreover it backs up what you can see when watching games with an unbiased eye. It's also supported by who is scoring our tries - the majority being on the side of the pitch that Horne predominantly plays on. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"Hint: I have. I've seen every single game, and more importantly every single try. The latter multiple times.'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"I think RG had the right of it a couple of pages ago. I'm done. There's simply no helping some people.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"People aren't addressing your argument because you don't seem to have one. Quite apart from how well you think Horne has been performing or not, your assertion that his abilities as a top four halfback have any bearing at all on how he has compared to his teammates is complete and utter nonsense.'"
I'll just refer you to this what I said earlier:
We don't have another halfback who's fit in the squad, so you're saying you're comparing Horne's performances as a halfback to other players playing different positions? Seems a bit fishy. Are you judging Horne's performances on what he creates in a game (that's his job as a halfback as opposed to the other players you're comparing him too) or just his effort?
I'm saying to compare Horne to other halfbacks in other teams is therefore important because it's putting things into context. When you do that, you realise that Horne shouldn't be in your top 3 because he doesn't do what a halfback should do consistently enough.
This what I'm saying isn't all that controversial, and some will agree with me when they realise Horne cannot keep up this form for the entirety of the year. People are just being overly optimistic at the moment, even me, I can't wait until Holdsworth and Ellis are back. It's just some people don't like people who put a downer on things, I guess. |
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"Just because this is getting boring now with you repeating the same crap over & over, I'll humour you, provide your examples.'"
I actually would if I had the full games at my disposal and the time (It would take ages)
Just one example though would be Horne's performance against Rovers. It wasn't anything to boast about at all. He was the best of a really, really, really bad bunch in terms of attack. He did make a couple errors which then led to Rover's tries however, and people completely ignore this.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It was telling when The Prof handed him his ar*e on the last page and he just made some silly rhetorical comment instead of addressing the evidence presented. Either an idiot or a troll. Potentially both.'"
I've edited the post that I replied to that. You might want to address what I've said again.
He didn't really 'hand me on my ar*e', but it was better than anything you've said thus far.
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Righto mods. Its time to lock this thread. We've given this idiot more than enough time and space to expound his ludicrous theories. The man is obviously in need of care and we haven't the time or inclination to offer it to him.
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You can't lock a thread that was on topic simply because somebody disagrees with the consensus.
This is a forum for discussion, not a love-in.
Besides, it's good for you. We'd get nowhere without anyone to go against the grain.
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"Same rubbish" or not, that's just an opinion.
I've replied to those who've asked questions but people seem to be failing pretty badly at showing why I'm wrong.
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| Quote ="BraddersFC"Some more tosh about comparisons to other teams being relevant.'"
I'm not really inclined to engage with you as I think you're either on the wind up, biased, clueless, or all three. I'll just reply once more and put it as clearly and easy to follow as I can: So far this season, Richard Horne has done his job better than any other Hull FC player has done theirs, and more consistently. It really is as simple as that. |
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| Quote ="BraddersFC""Same rubbish" or not, that's just an opinion.
I've replied to those who've asked questions but people seem to be failing pretty badly at showing why I'm wrong.'"
They're not. Your just dense and ignorant to see what's in front of you. Only someone with rocks for brains n a complete lack of R L knowledge could try make argument that Richard Horne hasn't been hull fcs best player this season.
Only way this couldn't be true is if we're all wrong on here and 1000s more around the ground are and your some kind of genius way beyond our comprehension and understanding!
I know about 5 sl players to talk to or spend time with and they all agree regarding Richard Horne. I'll go with them n their opinions over yours! |
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