I don't think Westerman gets hammered, I just don't think some people rate as highly as others, I don't think he's no good whatsoever, just think overall in his Hull career he's been very average, and wouldn't be bothered if like a few have suggested he leaves

I've seen every game he's played for us. Some of them multiple times. I don't form my opinion on stats alone, but they are a useful tool for pointing out some of the more egregious myths that surround some players.

And if it has nothing to do with the transfer fee why does it get brought up every single time?

Nobody has suggested that you aren't entitled to an opinion, but no opinion is immune from challenge.

Westy's also had to cope with an injury after having to get used to Pryce and Sneyd finding their feet and taking more of the responsibility for our attack away from him. Last season he was just about our sole playmaker. I think since he came back his form has been gradually improving with his poorest performances always served up when he's just trying too hard and usually when it's not going well generally. Last season's form and the mitigating factors this plus his work ethic make him a player we surely need to persevere with and our coach needs to work with him to get the best from his undoubted talent.

Westermans error stats need to be viewed in context because most of the mistakes he makes wouldn't be counted by OPTA such as a poor offload which goes to the opposition or a team mate knocking on due to a poor pass for instance.

It's the same with missed tackles if a player makes a horrific read in defence and doesn't even get a hand on the runner it wouldn't count as a missed tackle on their OPTA stats.

westy is an enigma, bit like marmite, for me he does a lot of graft down the middle and imo we would miss him if he left,

There is also a business side to all this IMO.

I'm in the camp that if we sold JW, then JA would do a grand job of replacing him, and may even be better. (others are not as convinced which is fine)

JW is linked to 'bigger' clubs all the time, I get the feeling it's inevitable he will go at some point. So is there a decision to let him go to the highest bidder now, knowing that we have someone within the club who can probably step up, or leave his to run his contract down (2 years I think?) then lose him for nowt?

IF your in the camp of believing JA can fill his boots right now which I am, there is a really good argument for letting him go for a decent wedge?

Just throwing it out there!

I'm genuinely interested in what evidence people have for thinking that Abdull can replace Westerman right now?

Have you seen Abdull's defence?

Yes of course I've seen his defence, and I agree it's not as good as JW, but I'd also suggest currently JA looks like he would bring more attacking threat than JW.

Overall, all things considered I think JW is marginally better right now, based on experience, but nothing a run of games wouldn't change for JA.

My original point is whether or not JW is worth keeping assuming a big fee could be had, when JA could come in and quickly become a solid replacement.

If you owned the club and were losing money hand over fist, isn't it a question you would ponder? I would.

If we lost Westy then Abdull still wouldn't play 13, Washbrook would.

No offence to Danny but I hope we keep Westerman.

Are people advocating that Abdul at 19 and only just on a run of playing half should now just simply slip into the middle to replace a 30/50 tackles and a 15/25 carries a match guy? On the basis abdull would be better in attack. Not after that workload he won't. In fact probably couldn't handle it. Takes a few years to condition to that week in week out.
Only way I see it working if we was to sell JW would be start manu at 13 and introduce abdull off the bench during games and then spell munu among the other back rows. Abdull could also spell Pryce within a game. All could be a struggle though if interchanges get reduced
As mentioned above. Some games Danny Houghton would do an 80 so Washy would just go in at 13

I think it's as simple as his face doesn't fit (with some FC fans).

It's a waste of time having opinions about players as you just get jumped all over and a decent debate just goes down the pan.Westerman is 13 for this season and maybe beyond,who knows a bid may come in and we may accept it and have to adjust to rectify this,we have options at 13 with Washbrook,Abdull,Whiting and at a push Mina or Manu.We have lost bigger and better players than Westerman so let's just see what happens.

Everybody can have an opinion, you can't then complain if it's challenged though, that's what a forum is about.

No doubt we've lost better players than Westerman, that's not really the debate.

Not done enough to justify keeping him, in my opinion.

He had a heavy price tag, a large wage and was touted as a big thing. I haven't seen any fans of other clubs coveting his signature either.

That speaks more than OPTA stats.

Problem is that people come on here and slate the player, then when they're challenged with facts and statistics they roll out the 'you can't have a decent debate on here anymore'. Well, make a sound argument and you'll get a debate. It's not difficult.
We've even now got someone trying to say he makes more errors and mistakes than he's marked down for. It's becoming ridiculous.

I put my opinion about Westerman on and accepted the opinions and replies of others but some other posts are not opinion based,it's just what I say goes and your wrong and enough examples of it on here anyway.So putting a laughing face is a balanced opinion????

Not his fault.





Why mention something you can't possibly know?



By who?



That obviously means he wouldn't be wanted by any other club then!





So you list things that are beyond a players control to knock him down about? Sums it all up.

You have no idea what he's being paid FFS.

If that's aimed at me then admit it,nobody has trotted out stats to me but I read them on here and they was surprising to say the least,Wezterman may be suffering from not being the main pivot now and gone back to the Aussie style 13,where last season as the main pivot and ball handler,he was playing his more natural game and got England reconnection,but this year,he hasn't been as good and that where opinions about his consistency come in

The problem here is you think the ones that are 'pro' Westerman' are the ones who think like that.

Jimmy's post got the reply it deserved. To suggest JA is just 'a run of games' from being able to replace Westerman is laughable.

How do you know it's laughable???...are you at training everyday,seeing how his fitness levels are,how his conditioning is going,are you a member of the coaching staff??????..........if they think he is ready then the coaching staff will put him in.

If it was aimed at you I'd have quoted you!

I don't disagree with what you've said here and it's been said by me and others too. But I don't see how you can accuse him of being inconsistent when even you've said his role has changed this year. You can see in his defensive stats that he's been consistently fantastic for us, but his role has changed in attack (which isn't his fault) and he's being slated for not being as influential!

I've watched Abdull for years now, he's miles away from replacing 30-50 tackles and 20-30 carries every game. I don't think you need to be a member of the coaching staff to see it either.