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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do you have any insider knowledge on this or is it purely a guess?'"
Guess - 1/10
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| Quote ="*1865*"What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
Having only played RL at youth level so I maybe wrong, but as a player I was told to follow instructions and concentrate 100% on playing.
Webster would have to time to analyse performance and work with individuals on certain skills. As a player Pryce would put him own playing performances at risk if he starts concentrating on formulating team tactics. I am not suggesting for one moment that players shouldnt have some input, but I cannot recall any notible player manager / coaches in RL in the modern era.
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| Quote ="*1865*"What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
I can understand your point in one way, but at all levels players are coached by people who have won less. Can Pryce see everything thats going on from the angle he has on the pitch / training ground ?
I wonder how many Ozzies learn nothing from a second rate winger , yet he still seems to be in demand coaching wise
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| Quote ="*1865*"What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
Leon Pryce might be an absolutely awful coach and have no idea about how to get others to follow his lead.
Winning things and coaching others to win things are two totally different things, if they weren't then Diego Maradonna would have been the best football coach ever, he was rubbish. Tiger Woods would have no one to teach him how to play golf better etc.
Sean Long was a great halfback but seems to be finding coaching very difficult having been shipped around a lot.
I always thought JW would make a great coach, his collapse at Wakey was unfortunate and proved he still has a lot to learn media wise but I can see him being back in a head roll at some point.
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| Quote ="dayvoz"David Brent in the house.'"
I don't think that comment was called for.
His point that it requires someone to take the analysis of the opposition and implement the gameplan based on this on the pitch is a valid one in my opinion.
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| Quote ="dayvoz"David Brent in the house.'"
Typical dumb comment to a sensible post.
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| Webster did a great job at rovers when asked to takeover been he was only 25 at the time his middle 8s comments killed him at Wakefield he was right but shouldn't have said it
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| Quote ="Lang Park"I don't think that comment was called for.
His point that it requires someone to take the analysis of the opposition and implement the gameplan based on this on the pitch is a valid one in my opinion.'"
Possibly, but you said it in one sentence.
Too many waffling management cliche's for me.
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| Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.'"
agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??
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| Quote ="*1865*"Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.'"
Or what can Webster teach Sneyd, Abdull, HTW, and even Radford in relation to attacking play and formations. I'm not saying Webster (if he is coming) will add anything, only time will tell, but to dismiss it before he's got here is not on.
Based on what you say no one at the club is capable of coaching Pryce as not one person has the experience of Pryce at the club.
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| Quote ="Skippy1975"agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??'"
Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?
As for an attacking coach, I don't imagine they'll come in and be expected to teach Leon & Sneyd how to do x,y & z better. Saying that, a player is always capable of improvement.
I see it more that they'd be the ones studying opposition weaknesses, work with the halfbacks on set plays & how to exploit those weaknesses, working one on one with non halfback players on how to improve their own weaknesses, general game management, last tackle options, stuff like that. Basically taking some of the burden off the halfbacks & Radford.
Whether Webster is the man to do that, none of us really know. His playing record has little to do with it, and I wouldn't read into his time with Wakey too much either, their squad/resources he had to work with are that poor.
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?'"
unsure, you may well be right. But with Radford, Last and Horne, with senior players in Pryce/Ellis etc. we should have enough going for us (and recently, it seems we have)
I can't see whether Webster is a good or bad choice, one thing I can say is it wont do any harm.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"I can understand your point in one way, but at all levels players are coached by people who have won less. Can Pryce see everything thats going on from the angle he has on the pitch / training ground ?
I wonder how many Ozzies learn nothing from a second rate winger , yet he still seems to be in demand coaching wise'"
What did all of those man united superstars think being coach by some failed scottish ex pro for 25 years or whatever it was?
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| Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it'"
Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
For one you are bob on
We have thrown £300k into the halves this season, to buy this "game management" everyone was wetting their kegs about.
Its working, the HB's are doing it. You watch us bring in a one game failure and it go to shiite
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.
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| Quote ="barham red"You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.'"
Well, you win the award for 'best at missing the point'.
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| Quote ="dayvoz"Possibly, but you said it in one sentence.
Too many waffling management cliche's for me.'"
Management waffle, cliches?
You mean explaining why doing X can improve things, it's the job of the manager to make things work as best as they can with the tools/people they have.
You use everything possible to make it so, if you don't look at options and avenues even outside of your field you're less likely to succeed, if you can't trust your workers and gain their respect again you're less likely to succeed.
On the basis of your limited response especially the first one you appear not to understand much of anything with regard to leadership and being successful, that's fine but at least have the courtesy to give at least a little explanation as to what you don't 'get' or why you disagree with what I said.
I can point you in the right direction to some resources that might help if you'd like?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
That's why you never got past branny U11's
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| Quote ="barham red"You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.'"
Yeah, rory mcilroy knows how to hit a golf ball so I doubt he even bothers with a coach any more
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| Yeah, because signing a coach for the sake of it is the answer. Not needed and has a rubbish record.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Yeah, rory mcilroy knows how to hit a golf ball so I doubt he even bothers with a coach any more'"
Exactly. Might as well scrap the term head coach and just have a team picker
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| Quote ="*1865*"Yeah, because signing a coach for the sake of it is the answer. Not needed and has a rubbish record.'"
Fair enough but your previous post was still a crock of sheite
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