Well that's simply a lie, you sound like the Ex-Pro!

Apologies but it's still a huge difference between where Wigan were and where we were when the respective coaches took over.

Ooo here they come again, we lost so lets sack the coach.

Tonight was disappointing, I never expected to win but expected us to compete better. In fairness we did early on but Wigan got some decisions and the bounce of the ball and we bombed some chances, after that Wigan played really well adn we were well beaten.

Sometime you just have to cop it on the chin and come back stronger, which is what I expect us to do.

As for our finishing position I said top 6 at the start of the season and I think it will be, I reckon 5th which will be a good finish imo.

It makes you wonder if we target certain games.

We made a very similar point at the game tonight. It's a big concern.

If judging what a manager has achieved by where the side finished the season before, we went from 4th to 11th... HTH.

I apologise, we were 11th. Still a massive difference in squad quality. I aren't sure whether Agar is a top coach - our defensive structure out wide really worries me however there's no doubting that he's improved us big style from last year and deserves not to be sacked on the back of 1 dissappointing result with arguably 6 of our most important players out.

your all clearly puzzled...agar out my ar5e..hull were due this backlash..granted the defence woz poor,the reffing were even worse but it woz down to the players and there mistakes especially in attack.

Yeah with 4k crowds and looking at the dregs what no one else wants or they can afford i like to see agar work within kears budget f00k me it would be painful, Agar is not fit to lace Kears boots

If we do, it's very disappointing. I want to see 100% effort every game. I said before tonight's match that I'd be happy with a performance like we gave in the Wire game. We had loads out that day, but those who played did us proud with their effort and commitment. Tonight we never got close to that level.

Agree with a lot of that, the fact that even though we're doing ok in terms of a table but a lot of people still feel like that is a clear sign that things aren't right IMO.

Like you I haven't attended a home game since Agar got his contract extension, I still go to away games (admittedly I live in West Yorks so these are often easier) but at least I know I'm not paying his wages!

1 dissapointing result?

Crusaders away
Wigan away (A hard game yes but we had a decent team that night and they exploited our weakness out wide)
Salford away
Leeds Away
Leeds Home
Quins MM
Hudds Away
Catalans Home
Bradford away
Wakefield away
Wigan Home

I would class all of those as dissapointing even though we won two of them.

You're one of the dimmest posters on here, up there with Danny 2, the Ex-Pro and that old guy who puts a

at the end of every post. Surely you've noticed how rarely people bother responding to anything you say...

I don't really see your point.

Wigan finished 6th last season (albeit with a good run in the playoffs). Maguire in his first season has likely taken them to the league leaders and a Grand Final.

Agar in his first season took us from 11th to 12th.

You missed out Wakefield at home.

Edited for accuracy

IMHO,

Wigan weren't brilliant, but so clinical in their attack.

We are light years behind them, and with more Storm players joining a Wigan side coached in the idealogy of Melbourne, they will improve.

Until Agar realises we attack as a team ,and not individuals,
we wont get close to them.

Dont blame individual players, blame the team ethic.

Kear is a class act and should have been retained but then what did you expect from Rule, one bad decision after another.

I can't blame Agar for taking the job as he was a very good assistant coach but being a Head coach entails more than just working on the field with the team. too short an apprenticeship for mine, look at how long Bellamy was at Brisbane and also how long McGuire was at Melbourne.

Kear is not a class act for me, he can motivate a team for a big game but seems to struggle to do it consistently.

We don't do a lot of things other teams do that worries me most - dummy runners ( except when longy plays ) , depth in the attacking line , backing up players , lack of speed in the team ,sliding defence its not knee jerk reaction to just this one game but most games

Totally agree, we have all the gear and no idea, would you put a 7lb claiming on the 3rd 4th favourite for the derby, would you fook you get frankie dettori on it, so why do we employ a novice coach out of his depth to run a club of our size, but the sad thing is were going to have this for another 2 years because there is no way they will get shut

lets face it a hammering like this has been on the cards for ages, the derby win and all the other close wins have just been papering over the cracks.

Agar is inept and unable to motivate his players, and like many people have said befor on here kear went for less and when paople say agar is a young coach give him time he'll come good, balls he never is and never will be a top super league coach and as long as he is in charge of hull we will never be a truly top side

agree with some of what you said, the squad have to take some responsability. However its his squad now so it can fall back on him