For stewarding and matchday food/refreshments the KC is by far the worst in SL - by a country mile. . .IMO!

The best stand, view, atmosphere and facilities in SL is the East Stand at MS3CP (this is a value-free opinion lol).

The worst ground in SL is The Stoop - it sort of growls at the thought of league being played on union's hallowed turf. The atmosphere is that deadening you may as well have gone to the KC o watch FC (maybe not).

Many people diss Wakefields ground but I can literally fall out of the pub onto the terraces for what is a sky-line view compared with the rest of the stadium.

The most entertaining stadium is Headingley - win or lose its a cracking atmosphere. . . even if it is sarling down.

How on earth Mrs B was allowed to introduce thread drift I don't know lol! But she did mention the KDC and inferred from this that the Council own MS3CP. I think consideration as to who owns the KDC is called for first before making it a fact or even an assumption.

As far as I am aware, the KDC is a non-profit organisation (unlike the SMC) which is the acting caretaker and legal gaurdian of the land leased by the Council to Hull Kingston Rovers Limited. A nominal rent (undisclosed) is paid annually. HKR Ltd 'own' the leases and are liable for all repairs and maintenance of the property assigned under the leases. HKR Ltd have to aply for development of leasehold land from the KDC.

The qestion is who are the main parties running the KDC? The answer to this I don't know!!!!! However, an old mucker of mine Don Robinson told me when Gainsgroup was no longer required (once the CVA had been satisfied), the new organisation would be fronted by the Chairperson of HKR Ltd, a representative from the Council and another party (in Gainsgroup it was a local foirm of chartered accountants). I don't know if this happened.

i would still put fc fans in the south stand even when golf stand is put in front of it

I did not "introduce thread drift", I was responding directly to a question. No introduction of the topic by me, cockle.

Ok thenm it may not be the worst.. But its the most wasted use of a stadium in the super league..

Its not that bad,bring a megaphone and you can talk to the bloke next to you quite easily.

The thing is just say hypothetically, Hull City kicked you out (don't get into all the arguments i know they can't) and a new stadium was built for HullFC that was identical to The Stoop in every single aspect, would you be happy playing out of that stadium? The answer is of course you would BUT if you had to play at NCP or BV would you be happy, i know i wouldn't.

Yes to the first question, no to the second.

Don't get the downer on The Stoop at all - excellent ground IMO. And you can get fish and chips, even scampi, and a Mr Whippy. A "no-brainer".

Always had a good time at The Stoop. Just a shame the local Londoners didn't agree and stayed away. More fool them.

(Beer was flat as hell, though, but the bar was relatively well-staffed.)

At least Phil Lowe did well from raping local businesses in the "satisfying" your 1p in the £ CVA. You want to stop burying your head in the sand.

Well said that man. At least most Hull fans are now seeing how Rule et al raped us. Yet the poor reds just can't see what happened with them.

Scampi & a Mr Whippy?

Even Heston Blumenthal would struggle with that combination

Would love to say Belle Vue as I can't stand Wakey, the club,fans or ground. On the other hand though, Odslum is terrible, hole in the ground, exposed to the elements, bully bully and other assorted cr&p piped through the PA.

Dont bother coming to Wakey this season can do with people who have such an opinion on ALL supporters, the club and ground,just FYI new stands are going up but dont bother sampling them just struggle along in your lovely ground (I mean that best in the league) will I be coming to Hull too right it doesnt mean I am loved up but I support my team and the sport nothing against Hull I used to ship out of there many years ago.

Your post seems to contradict itself somewhat, now I understand the bias but I struggle to understand how you say it can have the worst view leading to think your talking our south stand then go on to criticise the plastic seats which would mean you are talking of the north. I'd struggle to see how anyone who's been to cas can criticise our loo's. Look I know you lot are biased but at least remain consistent.

There are a number of grounds that are below standards, one of which I believe even got a grade A licence even though it has a stand open to the elements and another one half closed because its crumbling.
If the question is, which is the ground I least like visiting then I reckon it would be either Odsal or the Galpharm but latters as much for rugby reasons as anything else.

In Some Ways yes because at least we could fill it better then london, and have better atmosphere. But in some ways no for some reason??

Surely your reasons for hating the stoop could be applied to yourselves in the KC.

Bradford by a mile, horrible stadium, closely followed by Wakey and the CP.....
also so pleased I never have to go to that slum Salford played at again either

the willows was like down town Mogadishu, Odslum is by far the worst but is one of the better organised away grounds, the welcome you get a L**ds is the worst in the game, staff and supporters alike, looking forward to the new Saints ground this season and the trip to Casvegas.

NCP is by far the worst relatively modern stadium I have seen anywhere in any sport. By the 1980's it was possible to build stadiums with unrestricted views anywhere in the ground and there is really no excuse for the abortion the dobbins put up especially considering they effectively had a blank canvas with no restrictions on alignment and such. Yet they still had seats in the best stand where you couldn't see all the pitch. Unbelievably poor but that's why its the worst, they can't even get the barest basics right.

Its one thing to be lumbered with stands that date from the 1950's and earlier and having to make the best you can to improve but to start off rubbish, when the ability to do better existed, as at NCP is inexcusable.

I would be interested if any dobbins apologists can come up with a worse stadium or even stand than NCP of similar vintage.

I love the old grounds,better atmosphere,but New Craven Park really is a dump.

Not really. First time I went I sat in the Golf stand. It was new then and in decent nick and the loos were OK. Enjoyed the day 'til the horrendous fighting after we won.

Next time we decided to stand with the majority of Hull fans in the South "Stand". I had no idea how bad it was until we got there. The steps were shallow so made seeing difficult even before you take into account the distance from the pitch, the badly positioned advertising boards, the stewards who plonked themselves in front of you at a higher level than you on the grassy expanse, and the driving wind and rain down the "wind tunnel" that is your ground straight into your face. Couldn't even see the Sky screen as the Rovers officials had kindly placed it at an angle which was impossible to view from the the Hull end. Underfoot were rotting hamburgers and other foodstuffs and empty drink bottles everywhere making it dangerous to move in such a cramped space. This waste was old and had obviously been accumulating from previous matches.

The Ladies loos weren't plural. There was a leaking clapboard shack that had one loo out of order and with no door to the cubicle anyway. The other loo had no seat, was barely flushing and had no bog roll. It's door had to be held closed while you were on the loo - an enterprise that was distasteful in the extreme as the door was filthy and had clearly not been cleaned in years. Every female had to use this one loo. There was a filthy cracked basin for hand-washing with a trickle of cold water, no soap and no blower or towels. Whilst one waited in the obviously lengthy queue for the one facility, one was dripped on as the leaky roof could not keep out the rain, a situation which continued while you were trapped in the revolting little cubicle. Disgusting in the extreme. Oh, and we did, of course, have to pay the one-off increased ticket price of £20. Such value for money.

Needless to say it's been the Golf stand every time since then. The view is better but you are still horribly exposed to the elements and, of course, the atmosphere is heavily diluted as you have to sit with fans of both sides. And it is visibly disintegrating, year on year, to the extent that the bloke behind me on the back row's foot did go straight though the rotten floor the year before last. The stewards' answer? Squash up even further so you don't stand on the cracks which were creeping ever outward from the resultant hole.

Craven Park isn't just substandard to Super League requirements. In my experience it's dangerous and a health hazard.

But apart from that it was acceptable?

No.