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| Having never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.
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| TrevlovesJanice, if you want to stick your head in the sand and can't be 'd to look through the threads & see the huge and simple errors Radford has made time and again that's your look out. That you can't even understand how a lack of basic man managament manifests itselfs in the attitude of the players and the way we are so up and down in performances (mainly down) again is your lack of understanding. That isn't your fault as such, it just means you're not able to see the what, where, how & why..but is is pretty basic and so damn obvious I find it hard that someone with their head in the sand such as yourself can't see it?
I just presume you're a Radford lover and are just blind to the facts??
However the facts bear themselves out, Radford is even worse than Agar, I think that's pretty clear tbh
Radford inherited a decent core squad, not fantastic but some very good & experienced players, a large proportion of these have gone backwards, some dramatically so.
Radford has had pretty much free reign to do what he wanted, Agar didn't
Radford has far more infrastructure & a hugely improved youth set up, Agar most definitely didn't.
Radford hasn't had a shocking injury situation, he's had the luxury of being able to loan players out left right & centre
Both Agar & Radford made the same simple basic errors time & again, one's borne out of inexperience, lack of ability and lack of being able to manage people. However Agar had his hands tied beghind his back, whereas Radford hasn't.
We are so far adrift at the moment I can't beleive some are still backing Radford, insisting he either shouldn't be sacked or give him some games next season..
IF and yes that is a big if, we end up in the quag and find ourselves at the wrong end of the table next season with nack all to show for it (except playing a lot of championship teams) then I hope you can look the rest of us fans in the eye and tell us Radford is the amazing coach you obviously think he is.
No matter what I'll still keep coming to games, but at the moment I'm so disinterested it's untrue, much less bothered than when under Agar and I thought he was well out of his depth & wanted rid/couldn't beleive him being given the job...but despite being a turnip he wasn't a backstabbing liar unlike Radford.
Pearson has made an EPIC mistake, employing a hugely inexperienced coach with ZERO proven ability and was a player that didn't exude confidence or excitement at any point in his career. Pearson employs someone taking on a job purely for seemingly selfish personal reasons (monetary/self adulation)..unless he is so deluded he actually thinks he's anywhere near good enough..which could explain a lot if he did!
But crack on with showing/impressing me with your breakdown of how amazing 'coach' Radford is and what a fantastic job he's done, his achievements and targets that he's hit (not getting relegated doesn't count BTW) over and above what you would expect as a norm for a club of our supposed 'stature'...
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| As much as I don't rate Radford as a coach, people need to be very careful throwing accusations about him being a "backstabbing liar". Not sure that RLFans can afford to defend any libel action.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"As much as I don't rate Radford as a coach, people need to be very careful throwing accusations about him being a "backstabbing liar". Not sure that RLFans can afford to defend any libel action.'"
Quite. I've just edited one epic rant for that very reason.
Calm down, folks. There's a couple of posts sailing close to warnings/bans.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Having never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.'"
The obvious difference is that I'm not making any claims precisely due to my lack of first hand knowledge. You deal in unsubstantiated tittle tattle all you like.
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| My friends daughter is dating one of our main players, obviously I did a bit of digging as to whats been going on. He says all the team are just playing really steady, not trying anything flamboyant or pushing themselves incase it does'nt come off because of the fear being dropped or bawled out by the coach. There are a number of players not happy with the present set-up.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Quote ="Diogenes"Having never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.'"
The obvious difference is that I'm not making any claims precisely due to my lack of first hand knowledge. You deal in unsubstantiated tittle tattle all you like.'"
If someone who does have first hand experience of Radford's man management skills tells me his view of them, how is that "unsubstantiated tittle-tattle"?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"
There have been a number of extensions and signings recently. If the place was such a nightmare to work at players would be looking to get out not the other way around.'"
Or it could simply be its a much easier life at Hull FC than at other clubs on decent money to boot.
What we have seen this season on the field and peformances shows an awful lot of failings and does beg the question what is happening at training & how long they spent there. I must say i have seen groups of the players during the week at a local coffee shop mid afternoon before going home so you do start to question the stuff behind the scenes.
I do believe that Pearson has compounded the problems by employing Radford as head coach as we needed an experienced coach not one that is learning from his mistakes as he goes along. This i believe has lead in many ways to the apathy in performances we have seen this season. In the same way i would feel in my job &performance if i had a manager in charge who wasnt upto the task & learning as they went along.
I just see next season as another of abject failure under the current coaching set up & nothing i have seen throughout this season has given me any hope. We started with a very poor preseason & have not improved since. This for me speaks volumes about the chances of success under Radford.
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| All i have to say on the matter now is,
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
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| Quote ="Diogenes"If someone who does have first hand experience of Radford's man management skills tells me his view of them, how is that "unsubstantiated tittle-tattle"?'"
Because you're reporting one person's unsubstantiated [iopinion[/i of Radford's man-management skills. What he says might be true, or it could be coloured by his particular relationship with Radford, or by any other of a number of personal biases that we all carry around.
While I expressed strong doubts in this area as soon as Radford was announced as coach, none of us have any [iproof[/i to substantiate our opinions.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Because you're reporting one person's unsubstantiated [iopinion[/i of Radford's man-management skills. What he says might be true, or it could be coloured by his particular relationship with Radford, or by any other of a number of personal biases that we all carry around.
While I expressed strong doubts in this area as soon as Radford was announced as coach, none of us have any [iproof[/i to substantiate our opinions.'"
No. We need proof to assert something as being a fact. An opinion is necessarily personal and subjective. If its genuinely and honestly held then its a valid opinion.
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| Quote ="unknownlegend"My friends daughter is dating one of our main players, obviously I did a bit of digging as to whats been going on. He says all the team are just playing really steady, not trying anything flamboyant or pushing themselves incase it does'nt come off because of the fear being dropped or bawled out by the coach. There are a number of players not happy with the present set-up.'"
Or maybe they are just not good enough?
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| Ok if Radford quits who do you get to take his place?
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| Quote ="Diogenes"No. We need proof to assert something as being a fact. An opinion is necessarily personal and subjective. If its genuinely and honestly held then its a valid opinion.'"
But still unsubstantiated.
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| Well I asked a simple question about what was meant by "playing wise", and I just got a rant back which
a) didn't answer the question
b) involved personal abuse
Not really called for - some people need to grow up !
So I ask the ONE simple question again - what does KnockersBump mean by "playing wise" ? I just don't get it, as Radford isn't actually playing any more.
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| Drop Holdsworth a line , I'm sure he'll tell anyone how he rates Radford .
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| Quote ="B0NES"Drop Holdsworth a line , I'm sure he'll tell anyone how he rates Radford .'"
If you know tell us
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Having never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.[/
So if it was Shaul he would say radders man management is good...Crooks or Pitts would obviously tell it different...so realistically different views all round from the squad I reckon....
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| not sure about radders at all, but he is gonna be here next year imo, so hopefully he can get us up and running then, we need to come out guns blazing and i have a funny feeling we will, well i live in hope,
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan":2pc6yp6cQuote ="Diogenes":2pc6yp6cHaving never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.[/
So if it was Shaul he would say radders man management is good...Crooks or Pitts would obviously tell it different...so realistically different views all round from the squad I reckon....
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Yes that's the thing about opinions. You can have two which are completely different but both equally valid.
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| So X person (Let's call the LR) says they will quit if they fail, LR fails (if someone here wants to quantify that LR has succeeded by all means go ahead and try to substantiate that!) and then doesn't quit, on the back of what that person said previously makes them a liar in my book.
That IS substantiated, that person did say they would quit but then reneges on that, or are they deluded into thinking they've succeeded??
If you're that worried about the truth, prove that it isn't the truth.
As for man management, if you don't understand even the rudimentary basics of psycholgy and human behaviour then you won't grasp how obvious it is that LR has next to zero man management skills..Ask a professional in the field to observe & read what has happened all season..they'll tell you pretty much all you need to know about LR's (and indeed the owner's) failings..
As for the other thing that was removed, well, if you want to ignore what went on last season..fine. The simple & easily led are always blinded by others that tell them they didn't see X or X never happened...open your eyes FFS!!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So X person (Let's call the LR) says they will quit if they fail, LR fails (if someone here wants to quantify that LR has succeeded by all means go ahead and try to substantiate that!) and then doesn't quit, on the back of what that person said previously makes them a liar in my book.
That IS substantiated, that person did say they would quit but then reneges on that, or are they deluded into thinking they've succeeded??
If you're that worried about the truth, prove that it isn't the truth.
As for man management, if you don't understand even the rudimentary basics of psycholgy and human behaviour then you won't grasp how obvious it is that LR has next to zero man management skills..Ask a professional in the field to observe & read what has happened all season..they'll tell you pretty much all you need to know about LR's (and indeed the owner's) failings..
As for the other thing that was removed, well, if you want to ignore what went on last season..fine. The simple & easily led are always blinded by others that tell them they didn't see X or X never happened...open your eyes FFS!!'"
I don't disagree that Radford shouldn't have been appointed and has demonstrated massive inexperience and ineffectiveness since he was which has taken us backwards. But , he would probably say he isn't judging success or failure on one season so he hasn't "not succeeded" yet and no doubt AP would agree that Radford would be judged on some pre agreed term , perhaps 1.5 or 2 seasons? We don't know. As much as I would say get rid now , he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place , the rest of the coaching staff should all go etc etc etc if I was in Pearson's shoes now I'd be struggling to do that because of the problem of who do you bring in , would it be admitting he was wrong and would that have more of an impact on confidence in him and pass sales than simply sticking with the line it'll be better next year? And then there's the cost to do it.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So X person (Let's call the LR) says they will quit if they fail, LR fails (if someone here wants to quantify that LR has succeeded by all means go ahead and try to substantiate that!) and then doesn't quit, on the back of what that person said previously makes them a liar in my book.
That IS substantiated, that person did say they would quit but then reneges on that, or are they deluded into thinking they've succeeded??'"
I've had a look for the quote but can't find it. If I remember correctly, he said he would walk if he ever felt he couldn't improve us. Clearly he feels he still can. We may disagree with that opinion, but a difference of opinion does not make either party a liar.
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"If you're that worried about the truth, prove that it isn't the truth.'"
That's not how libel works. Go look it up.
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"As for man management, if you don't understand even the rudimentary basics of psycholgy and human behaviour then you won't grasp how obvious it is that LR has next to zero man management skills..Ask a professional in the field to observe & read what has happened all season..they'll tell you pretty much all you need to know about LR's (and indeed the owner's) failings.'"
I understand plenty, thanks. I also understand that nobody on here has actually witnessed Radford managing his players on a day-to-day basis. Any 'professional' willing to give an opinion based on such paucity of data would not be worth listening to. So it remains opinion only.
Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"As for the other thing that was removed, well, if you want to ignore what went on last season..fine. The simple & easily led are always blinded by others that tell them they didn't see X or X never happened...open your eyes FFS!!'"
It's not a matter of ignoring anything. It's a matter of what you can and can't say on a public website if you want to avoid being sued.
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| Well said Kosh.
Someone on here likes his own rants too much and I feel is overly aggressive (or defensive ?) about them.
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| Quote ="fcgrandad"Ok if Radford quits who do you get to take his place?'"
Isn't that what we employ Tony for? But he won't go collecting CV's without the OK from Pearson.
F.W.I.W I thought we were making progress (slowly) under Gentle, but would have had no
qualms about him being replaced, if we had a proven coach lined up.
As we hadn't, he shouldn't have been replaced until we had.
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