I told no lies though, did I? We're still on track and listening to most people in pre season, we're in a better position than expected.

In real terms then yes you are right.
I suppose I would be happy with that and the results but for me it's the performances and the cricket scores we regularly get posted on us and the fact Radford has no idea how to rectify the problem which causes me issues.

I would like a change but I am not a Radford hater. He is given me two if the best days of my life but he is looking a broken man in interviews and has the world on his shoulders. I've said the problem before with rugby is the recruitment time. There isn't a right time to sack a coach in away unless the coach agrees to step down at the end of the season and a new one is appointed ready to come in who can identify players, which rarely happens. It happens with Radford appointed with no time to sign his new players

It’s ok to disagree

I happen to think it’s so far to the truth it’s unreal
The lock in at Widnes of all places !! Who led that ?

On that day in 2016 we actually almost lost the Cup
It was practically a miracle tackle that 9/10 would have still seen us lose the CC that day
However the combined forces of Fonua-Ellis-Watts and Sneyd won us the CC. In fact the semi final v Wigan, which was almost SoO type in its ferocity was heavily influenced by Fonua.

Before that trio we were garbage and after we are garbage
The only constant ?

As I say happy to agree to disagree

If you really think the cup win and run was down to 4 players you really know little about sport and rugby.

Who signed the players, who picked the team, I know you won't have been there, but some contributions from players in other rounds in 2016 nad 17 like Taylor at Saints away, Houghton's tackle, Kelly at Leeds semi in 2017.

Conditioning staff to help us hold on in the semi at Wigan when under the kosh.

Ellis and Watts were here well before 2016, both played in the 2013 final for example, how come we didn't win that one?

Maybe it was all down to Fonua.

Absolutely clueless.

You can't say when we win the players do it in spite of him and then it's his fault when we lose. Radford got the recruitment right those couple of years where he has got it wrong is not freshening up the squad which has become stale.

We have money just not an endless pot like Warrington for example.

To be honest there are opinions on here I listen to
Yours isn’t one of them

You’ve already demonstrated you make things up on the spot to suit
whatever point you’re trying to make.

It's a fai challenge. If we win it's down to the players. If we lose it's down to Radford. Makes no sense.

Of course, in other words you have no response.

Hull are no different to most of the teams in the league barring Saints and Warrington who have found what all the other teams are striving for, consistency.
Most teams are capable of putting one or two good performances in and then put in a stinker, i dont know if its a coaching issue or an attitude issue but as a team Hull arent the only team struggling to solve it, there's nine other teams in the same boat.

It's not the losing,it's the manner of defeats, no other team including London have had defeats like we have, 3 defeats over 50 points, there is something with the mentality of the players when we go a few scores down.

Think Ellis has misses all 3 games.

So it is a players mentality issue then and not the coach in your opinion?

At Rovers weve lost numerous games when we've had winable leads so that puts us in the same bracket as Hull searching for that consistency.
Is player mentality something that can be coached? Weve got grand final winners and NRL grand final winners in our team but still dont seem to have enough leadership to be mentally strong enough to be consistently competitive.

I aren't. The post you quoted had two things in it, I was just clarifying which one you were referring to.

Radford has done a lot of good things. He absolutely deserves his share of credit for the cup wins, and he equally can't take all of the blame for the bad performances. But imo there is a real attitude problem at the club, and he doesn't seem capable of sorting it out. To just shrug off performances like that is an insult to the fans.

Has to both IMO.

Just a thought, weve seen how when Ellis takes to the field we rarely suffer the drubbings, does he not allow his team mates to slack off, or have a crap attitude?

And im wondering if Ellis was head coach would the players dare put in performances like the Huddersfield one?

If there was anything he could do about it, I’m positive he would have done it.

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It'll be down to the players this week.

Not the ones who are not good enough anymore, like Mini.

But what today shows is that performances like last week and the Warrington game are entirely down to attitude, we clearly have the ability to match it with anyone. Radford has to be accountable for that. Does it not bother you that he doesn't have any idea what to do about it?

I think he made a massive mistake when he said he doesn't know what to do about it. It's so clear that the team are targeting certain games this season & he can't come out and say that.

Yet Radford is given no credit for getting the team right mentally to bounce back from the weekend and despatch the current cup holders with ease. If he's accountable for our attitude on Saturday then he's equally accountable for it tonight.

I do think radders is to honest at times , maybe doesn’t do himself no favours at times but I like to see it . Maybe he should just sidestep some questions like a lot of coaches do .

Yes he does deserve some credit. But in professional sport, the minimum you should always expect is effort. Getting it right tonight doesn't excuse last week.

Tonight was when it mattered, last weeks defeat did no damage to us, if we'd have lost tonight, then half of our seasons objectives would be over.

The double is still well and truly on.