No idea, it's only a numbers game, but Garbutt left within a week of Furner arriving as coach last November.
Not offering new contracts is the easy way out, although the NRL always seem to have surplus players available before the season starts because of cap issues.
Sinfield is saying it'll take a couple of years to get sorted, sounds like they're on borrowed time at the moment.

Like it
Wouldnt surprise me to see Fonua back with us one day

Two are going out on loan to Doncaster

Does anyone know why he left the Broncos?

Surplus to requirements? Homesick?

I'd heard soon after he'd gone that he'd be back.
His reason for leaving was more to do with residency than anything else.

Salary cap issues.

The haters are gonna love me for saying this but im a bit underwhelmed if im honest. He will effectively replace Mini but is he as good as Mini? - id say a long way off even if Minis career is now on the downward. Savelio is 23, he's had 4 clubs so far that none have seemed like theyve wanted to keep him, a dodgy injury record and from what i remember of him at Saints he wasnt that good anyway with rumours of him always thinking that he was better than he actually was ala Liam Watts.

We should of gone in for Joe Greenwood who went to Wigan when we had the chance - miles better player than Savelio

We do not hate you , you give us a laugh everytime you post your one of the best comedians I know.


Come on 'ull another win next week just to Seb off more.

The fact he has been through a number of clubs and has just come back from a serious knee injury is a slight concern, yes.
However I think that is far outweighed by the potential he has. He is only 23 so has a lot of development in him and he will likely have grown up since his Saints says. Plus Brisbane saw enough in him to sign him in the first place. Good non-fed players are hard enough to come by as it is without being picky to that degree.
As for Greenwood, perhaps we didn't have the means to sign him when he was available or mayve we did try but he preferred Wigan.

Give him some time Seb and i am certain you will change your opinion.
he is a real athlete big strong runner and still young.
If he fits into our club culture he will be a very good signing
I have been critical of Radford but i like the nucleus of young forwards we now have at the club.
Savelio,Levy,Bienek,Masi,Jordan Lane and Jack Brown.
If we recruit well for next season with the overseas spots we will have then we could be a force once again with real strength and depth.

I hope Andre doesn't read this post. He'll be mortified that you don't rate him.

To be fair , sebs post ain't as ridiculous as some make out , a little harsh on his quality , but hard to argue with the facts of his post

Not so much ridiculous as almost constant negativity.

You can twist things to suit anyones agenda.

I think the only fact is that he has had a serious injury, nobosy can argue that, he has had 4 clubs, yes, one was on loan and another he was injured before he got a chance and the way the NRL is, you often don't get a 2nd chnace with the young kids they have coming through.

He was highly rated at Saint, Cas and Warrington by most of the fans and the coaches at all three wanted to keep him.

A few clubs were also interested in signing him at same time we did.

Personally think he is a good young player with lots of potential, potential to play at the top level for the next 10 years or so, possible attitude problem, but hopefully he is mature enough to realise this needs to improve if he wants to progress, this time out might have done him good as a time to reflect on his career and get it back on track.

Ellis had 3 clubs, so 4 is hardly an issue.

I wonder how many jobs seb has had?

He has had a serious injury so we doubt him same goes for Bowden and Green then but I do not see anyone posting about them.

ACL injuries are bad I know I had one but you can come back from them and it is all about confidence, you do not even trust your rehab until that first contact on the playing field but once you have been smashed once in a tackle and you get up fine, your back.

He is a young player even now and one thing we have learned about Radford his that he doesnt take fools lightly, I for one think he is a great addition. A young very hungry player who will come in and want to smash it up, the great thing also is that he doesnt walk straight into the team right now and will have to earn his place.

I am guessing he has been pre season training with the Bronco's so should have a good level of fitness

In the HDM article he comments "I've found my love for the game", so he deserves the benefit of the doubt from me, I am not sure 3 years was right, but if he plays to his potential it could end up being quite a bit longer,

If you can get his head right then as people have said he's young and has potential. He was very much messed about with us by Cunningham and played at prop when he's really a second row. He did seem to think he was far more valuable than he actually was though and had a big head and kept demanding pay rises,at one point he was our highest paid youngster. His agent kept bigging him up as the next SBW when he had hardly broke into the team properly. It will be interesting to see how Radford handles him,he seems to be a coach that doesn't mince his words in public so i imagine in private it can get heated.

3 years is good as it means we will get a good fee after he stars in the grand final and goes back to the NRL a hero.

Feeling a bit confident today. It'll go away when Wakey stick another cricket score on us.

This is purely conjecture on my part, but if I was a 23yr old second-rower with great potential and some solid SL experience under my belt, then the back-to-earth reality of a season-ending injury in Aus last year, I'd be really excited to join a club where I get to work with arguably one of the best second-rowers, and leaders, the game has ever seen (apologies Lee, but I mean Gaz Ellis!) Perhaps, along with a competitive 3-yr deal, this might just have been a factor?

You could well be right, I would imagine the fact he's fit and Brisbane gave him permission to leave means he is raring to go.

He is not fit.
According to Radford when he arrives next week he will spend two weeks mostly with the conditioning staff

I don't mean "match fit", I mean he has recovered from the ACL injury.

hello, casual observer here, the Leeds payroll is an interesting one, the 2 things we do know over the last 15 years is that hetherington is tight as cramp and that they've got hella good value for money out of the golden generation, Sinfield has publicly said they'd taken less money at Leeds to keep the bang together and keep bringing titles.

Now bare in mind if you've been used to that sort of squad where you've got ppl on lesser terms does that mean you're a bit out of touch in terms of 'outside' recruiting, and possibly overpaying players, especially when things go to and you need to panic buy.

Garbutt was a mid-season signing for them iirc, it wouldn't surprise me if he was on a lot cos they were pretty desperate at the time and have struggled at prop off and on for a few seasons.

you could argue the same may be happening at wigan right now with their out of balance squad