Yes, and I also understand that we're not living in the 50's anymore.

where did I say "pit village mentality", I said "pit village politics", if you can't differentiate between the two then that is your problem.

And the fact you have "travelled the world extensively" means what precisely? nothing, that is what.

Wakefield has a failing (failed) management, don't confuse them with Wakefield Trinity and Rugby League as a whole in Wakefield.

There is a real possibility that Rugby League at a professional level will cease to be played in the city and the fallout from that won't be seen immediately it will be measured in 10 or 15 years time when the number of amateur clubs has fallen and therefore the number of junors produced.

Don't kid yourselves that Leeds, Huddersfield or even Cas will pick up the slack because it will not happen, without a club to watch, a community programme, a schools programme etc.. the next generation of young sportsmen will not be into RL but something else. That in turn has a knock down effect on spectator numbers for the wider game and son and so on...

The Wakefield area, inc Cas & Fev produces a great number of juniors and RL can ill afford to sacrifice one let alone two, like the Brazilian Rainforest when its gone, ITS GONE and try as you might, wish all you want you can't get it back.

hold on i will get your dummy for you

I see you're back to insults when you can't continue reasoned debate, a shame, you had been doing well.

Unfortunately i think you are right pal! although i can tell you it saddens me to the core to see any RL business go out of business and lets hope that the powers that hold court over these things move quickly to help and even if needed offer interim financial help because as you say in much better terms than i could muster the community needs the club as much as the fans do and RLs future young stars in these areas young and unborn as yet need these clubs as aspiration flags to grow into.
lets hope were both wrong

first insukt came from you in your last E Mail when you stated"
And the fact you have "travelled the world extensively" means what precisely? nothing, that is what." up until then i had not insulted anyone however you can change it however you wish i care not as in my opinion the manner in which you try to look down on others and your comments towards "pit villages" stinks as all who read this thread will see
leave it there now , any insults are yours alone to throw and started by you today and noted by all!!

they are to crusaders and london.i just don't want clubs like wakey to disappear without being given the help what crusaders and london have enjoyed.

over the years Wakefield have had comparable, if not in excess, of those clubs.

In fact, I think most clubs have had some help/cash/dispensations over the years. It's time it stopped for ALL CLUBS and they stood or fell by their own actions.

it wasn't an insult, it was a question, it was like saying "I can make scones, now here's my thoughts on music"

and I said PIT VILLAGE POLITICS, which is similar to Feudal Politics, or Clan Politics, shall I refer to those instead?

No insults, none whatsoever.

Can you tell me when Wakefield got any significant help from the RFL or ESL because for the life in me I can't think of any, maybe it's my memory.

What I do remember is Wakefield being told they would receive no funding from the SL for the first two years after they WON promotion, level playing field my ar$e.

and if you think thats not relevant let me enlighten you...

Ted Richardson had to do a deal with Sainsbury's for a piece of land, that he had and they wanted, so that Trinity could survive without the £650K that all the other clubs were enjoying.

Fast forward 10 years and Sainsbury's no longer want that land and, to get out of the deal, have paid a fraction of what Ted had original agreed with them.

Hence Ted Richardsons financial problems, I find it a little nauseating that the RFL, SL and many fans of other clubs are having a snipe and think it was OK to treat a promoted club with such inequality.

I'll dig into it when I get chance, got a train to catch shortly, I may be wrong, it may have been the dispensation of not actually building a promised new stadium...

Wakefield never promised to build a new stadium FFS...........

Nice to have some real facts on the situation and not people spouting unfounded drivel!
We HAVE to protect the heartlands of the game, or there will be no game!

Well said and very interesting, it is clear to see you and I have a similar view mate!!
nice to see a factual piece!!

That is exactly right on all levels mate!! and as you say its nice to see someone who can speak with with authority and not info based upon a need to be controvertial towards other posters!
i am glad i am not alone in my wish to see ALL RL clubs survive these terrible times financially , it doesnt matter where your from we all have a need to go and watch RL every weekend at a club we love dont we!!

My opinion (which may be old fashioned and sentimental) is that we have tried to expand the game and failed miserably, we will NEVER be a national game, in the eyes of the media and the rest of the sporting world. The sooner the powers that be realise that the better. Accept what we have and where we are, like i said we need to look after the heartlands, or we will have no game, the amount of players produced in areas like Wakey and Cas over the years is un-countable.

very true well said

its a shame when clubs suffer,but it is inevitable now with sky involved,as they want a wider audience,hence wales,london,france etc.if these clubs went under would sky accept that? NO!!!!The RFL need to think on that without the heartland clubs,future players will be thin on the ground.oldham struggled-no help.york went under(yes they came back thanks to individual financial help)-no help.bramley,blackpool.there are more,but the RFL like the expansion idea more-unfortunately.

Very true..they have produced some real quality players, the junior set up is very good in these communities, and that is what will keep this sport alive...strong grass roots.

Then we die. Or go back to being a semi-pro sport. Or merge with Union.

None of those options seem all that appealing TBH.

The grass roots will fade away i am afraid if there is no club in that area,

you only have to think about how you became a fan of Hull FC, some won't be able to remember because you just are and always have been, while some will point to a specific day or event.

The point is that had there been no club what would you be doing now, maybe supporting Hull City?
for those who've played the game, without the omni presence of Rugby League around you as you grew up might you have been a footballer or a sprinter or a cricketer .....?

The same will be true of future athletes who grow up in a Wakefield without a cpro club being present, sure some will follow the Rhinos and may still find their way into the game as a player or fan but the numbers wil be greatly reduced.

I see nothing unfair about making sure that a promoted club gets it's house in order - and the same thing was done to hull kr as far as I know. Perhaps they are better run and more viable than Wakefield ?
Considering that the first thing Wakefield did when they DID get the money was fritter it away on overseas and ageing players (that they couldn't afford anyway), perhaps it was a sensible decision not to let them have the money.



As for the promise of the new ground, you may recall that Wakefield's initial application to SL was rejected in October 1998 due to not meeting ground requirements, and was then deferred again in early November. Only towards the end of November 1998 were they actually admitted, having made "assurances" about the ground development or relocation. These are well documented facts so your "FFS" statement looks a little foolish.

Wakefield are a failed/failing business and I just think it about time someone more deserving, like Widnes or Halifax had their chance, having served their time in the Championship and spent money on their grounds.


I'm with Standee on this one - no personal attack on any person or club, but if an outsider looked in at the SL clubs, the finger of failure would be pointing at Wakefield IMO.

The only criteria for who should and shouldnt be in SL should be what happens on the pitch imo!!
[size=150Bring back promotion and relegation![/sizeThats a whole other can of worms!!

Indeed, the personal stuff is best left to others that seem to have issues with individuals as opposed to issues with opinions.

Wakefield is a failed business, and with all failed businesses, it will find it's level. IF the plea for cash from supporters work and the money is spent wisely then they may well have a future in SL, if the money isn't forthcoming (as I doubt it will be, even if we hadn't been in such economic conditions as we are, giving £1000 to a business with a track record like Wakefield is idiocy) then Wakefield may well disappear. It may actually be a good thing for the game as those Wakefield fans that want to watch SL can go to Castleford or Huddersfield (or Bradford or L**ds), maybe the reality is biting that the geographic area cannot support the number of clubs it has?

I hope Wakefield do not go, but if that is what the natural outcome of circumstances is to be, then so be it.

(and if anyone can find the old message board I said the same about FC when we were looking down the barrell and contemplating dropping a division and "starting again", it might actually make Wakefield stronger long term.