Sad, but true. When your standout players are Whiting and Broughton (no disrespect at all), you know you're in trouble.

TL has undoubtedly put in a big effort this season and done ok but putting in more effort than the mediocre lazy plodding waste of space bunch that we currently have is not, IMO, enough reason to offer him a new deal.

We cannot just keep retaining local lads who are full of effort. How many SL clubs would really be interested in picking up TL ?? Not many !!

If we are ever going to compete at the top of SL again, we must rid ourselves of mediocrity and bring in quality and, effort or no effort, Tommy Lee is bang in the middle of that aforementioned mediocrity.

Harsh but true.

What? a man of the match performance with a string of try saving tackles in torrid conditions wasn't a superb performance? I bet you wasn't even there!

It was a good performance. Competent. His tackle on Fleary was successful and worthy of mention because of their respective physiques and standings in the game at the time. It was nowhere near as good a performance as Tony gave on the very same pitch in 2006.

Judas Cooke won man of the match for us that day. In the game I mentioned, Horne won man of the match as a 16 year old.

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that being awarded MotM is irrefutable proof that that player was the best in the team? And, even if that was the case (it isn't, by the way), are you saying that someone winning MotM in one game automatically means that their performance was/is better than all performances in past/subsequent games from players who didn't win MotM? So, for example, our MotM against Salford in the cup performed better than our second best player against Saints in the 2005 cup semi? Because that's what it looks like you're saying. I've no idea why you'd think that though, given that it is a ludicrous position.

Never thought id say but would have Cooke back now

I agree that it's not a direct comparison. Just IMO Horne played great that day in a struggling team in awful conditions, as a 16 year old. The example you used was a game where we thrashed Leeds, Motu played off the back of a dominant, go forward pack and still didn't win MOM, although he returned the ball very well that day.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually agree.

I don't

Right, so your blanket dismissal of every game Tony's had at fullback might have been a little OTT?

Brett Kearney next season.

We know, and your after Stephen Price can we have him

Sorry, didn't know.

Possibly. My opinion of Motu at fullback isn't reactionary though, it's been consistent for the entirety of his time played there. I don't think all of his performances are shocking from fullback, but I don't think he's ever looked like a fullback. I'm always terrified when he's under the high ball. I'd say he's played some good rugby from fullback, but never actually played the position. Unlike a lot on here, my opinion is that the most important job of a fullback is dealing with kicks, part of his game that he simply doesn't have.

Just keep throwing names about ..Somebody is bound to hit the target ..Why not wait till the Club announce the new signings ..

Where is the fun in that

Guessing if wrong you feel let down ..But when announced if you don't like who the Club has signed you slag them off

Is it a done deal ? First ive heard of it

your wish may be granted

we seem to be one of the only clubs that hang on to local kids just for the sake of it, i know that its a good thing to have local lads in the team but some are just never going to be good enough be it because of our coaching staff ? or just in themselves, we carried matty dale for far to long and i feel lee is another we released dixon and higgins and to be fair they've done well for themselves but i wouldn't have them back. leeds have released there fair share of players over the years and a few have turned out good raynor, dowes, murrell but that's not to say the would of made it if they had stayed at leeds. we should grow some balls and release players that aren't good enough instead of keeping them for sentimental values.

keep hearing this surely this is some sort of a joke?

Correct,it is.