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| Quote ="scarrie"Truthfully, neither do I. I was just trying to come up with an alternative.'"
McIntosh has played a couple of games at right centre and did Ok so Barron on the wing with McIntosh at centre wouldnt bother me.
We have to move Griffin back to second row.He is now a joke as a centre
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| Quote ="bonaire"McIntosh has played a couple of games at right centre and did Ok so Barron on the wing with McIntosh at centre wouldnt bother me.
We have to move Griffin back to second row.He is now a joke as a centre'"
When? He's played every game at Hull on the wing. Maybe he had a handful of appearances at centre for Hudds but that's it.
He's been criticised for his defence. How do you think he'll go defending in a much harder position?
Like it or not Griffin is probably our best option right now
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| I think some players will count themselves lucky we still have a few out injured.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Tony Smith could quite easily drop Lane and Evans, very easily and send a message out......no need for half the academy. I also thimk judging by academy results we have a promising group that could be phased on during the course of the season.
Laidlaw>Evans
Cator> Lane
Would be two easy changes for this next game.
Im guessing Staveley/Balmforth/Litten wont be a million miles away too.'"
He well might, its easily plausible to do so given the squad. That was my point, probably best to see the team that runs out on Friday before deciding there is no accountability.
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| Barron had an absolute nightmare game against saints last year, don't think it would be the best idea putting him in the first team for Friday's game
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| Quote ="bonaire"Quote ="Chris71"I know McNamara tends to cop a lot of criticism and whilst I'd agree he won't likely be a top class player he is, as has been shown our best option at 6 (without moving Hoy) until Trueman is fit. He may not set the world on fire but he is steady and reliable, in fairness to the lad he is actually prepared to make a tackle, something that was in very short supply against Salford.'"
On that basis Chris may as well play Houghton there
McNamara is one of a number of our younger players like Scott and Wynne who will end up in the Championship'"
If the game was only a 20 minute one I might agree re Houghton but it’s painfully obvious he can’t play much more than that. I’d hoped that spelling him we might have seen a bit more from him but we aren’t and he looks done.
Looking at this season so far we started off the season playing a high intensity game with quick line speed in attack and particularly in defence. In that first 40 minutes we over ran Cas. 2nd half we slowed down and went back to standing off and waiting and Cas then got on a roll. We did similar at Leeds played with some intensity and decent line speed but that again dropped off in the 2nd half. The last two games we have little no intensity and against Salford we were just pitiful in every aspect, no desire, far too passive and lazy.
Can’t see anything other than another humbling unless TS gets the message out to up the intensity for 0 to 80 mins. There are still far too many bang/below average players and too many that are prepared to throw the towel in.
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| Quote ="mwindass"When? He's played every game at Hull on the wing. Maybe he had a handful of appearances at centre for Hudds but that's it.
He's been criticised for his defence. How do you think he'll go defending in a much harder position?
Like it or not Griffin is probably our best option right now'"
He didnt start at centre but was moved to centre a couple of times due to injury re shuffle.
I thought he did well.
McIntosh has been criticised for his defence i agree but Griffin is hardly a good defender is he.
The problem we have as i said previously we currently have the two worst centres in S/L and the two worst Second rows in S/L so playing McIntosh in the centre to allow Barron to play is risky but that right edge is going to be targeted anyway irrespective of who plays there.
I just want to see whether Smith has the balls to drop some of these Prima Donna underperformers.
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| Quote ="Chris71"If the game was only a 20 minute one I might agree re Houghton but it’s painfully obvious he can’t play much more than that. I’d hoped that spelling him we might have seen a bit more from him but we aren’t and he looks done.
Looking at this season so far we started off the season playing a high intensity game with quick line speed in attack and particularly in defence. In that first 40 minutes we over ran Cas. 2nd half we slowed down and went back to standing off and waiting and Cas then got on a roll. We did similar at Leeds played with some intensity and decent line speed but that again dropped off in the 2nd half. The last two games we have little no intensity and against Salford we were just pitiful in every aspect, no desire, far too passive and lazy.
Can’t see anything other than another humbling unless TS gets the message out to up the intensity for 0 to 80 mins. There are still far too many bang/below average players and too many that are prepared to throw the towel in.'"
But even when spelled houghton never did anything apart from tackle and a couple of good kicks from dummy half
Get an attacking hooker suddenly people realise houghton is very limited
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| Quote ="bonaire"He didnt start at centre but was moved to centre a couple of times due to injury re shuffle.
I thought he did well.
McIntosh has been criticised for his defence i agree but Griffin is hardly a good defender is he.
The problem we have as i said previously we currently have the two worst centres in S/L and the two worst Second rows in S/L so playing McIntosh in the centre to allow Barron to play is risky but that right edge is going to be targeted anyway irrespective of who plays there.
I just want to see whether Smith has the balls to drop some of these Prima Donna underperformers.'"
A wing centre partnership of Barron and Mcintosh fills me with dread, not to be too dramatic
Mitch would be the answer to try and shore up that edge. Hopefully he's back in contention for the Leigh game
In Smith's pre match conference I'm sure he said Carlos could be back next week. Sutcliffe the week after. So we should be able to get Griffin back to SR soon.
I think we're going to have to suck it up this week.
I'd drop Lane and Evans this week though.
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| Evans dropped
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Evans dropped'"
Looking at the squad, Lane will be in, lack of backrow and centre options had probably forced that move.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Evans dropped'"
Good to hear, offers terrible go forward. Complete waste of a quota spot.
Whos identifying our signings is it our coachs or higher up?
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| Evans and MacIntosh in reserves this week I've been told.
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| Quote ="Ellam"Evans and MacIntosh in reserves this week I've been told.'"
Well its a start !!
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| Quote ="Ellam"Evans and MacIntosh in reserves this week I've been told.'"
If that's the case, I'd expect,
Hoy
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| Quote ="Dave K."If that's the case, I'd expect,
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I'd put Gardnier in for Lane though'"
Surely we play with 13 and put Clifford in
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| Quote ="Dave K."If that's the case, I'd expect,
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I'd put Gardnier in for Lane though'"
Lane obviously has a lucky charm.
He should have been number one to be dropped
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| Think Smith will try Hoy at six this week.
Litten to full back and Barron on the wing.
Nothing to lose as everyone expects us to be hammered
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| Quote ="bonaire"Think Smith will try Hoy at six this week.
Litten to full back and Barron on the wing.
Nothing to lose as everyone expects us to be hammered'"
Has to go with that .
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| Quote ="bonaire"Think Smith will try Hoy at six this week.
Litten to full back and Barron on the wing.
Nothing to lose as everyone expects us to be hammered'"
I’d tend to agree as much as leaving Hoy at FB is preferred it’s a case of needs must this week given the promise shown by Litten at FB. I’d also be tempted to put Barron on the wing with and maybe Lovodua in the centres leaving Griffin in 2nd row and dropping Lane and Cator at LF. Then bench of Fash, Dwyer, Taylor & Gardiner.
Not a lot to lose really
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| Houghton to join coaching staff and Leeming to sign for us - hearing that in Melbourne
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Houghton to join coaching staff and Leeming to sign for us - hearing that in Melbourne'"
Hearing Bellamy is a big fan of Lovodua and Evans. Harry Grant and Big Nelson on a straight swap
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| Good to see Cas players finding their pride and I’m pleased for Andy Last.
Hopefully our lot can show the same commitment.
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