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| Quote ="Irregs#16"I don't think a merger would ever be on the cards. But perhaps a joint stadium would be more feasible'"
Agreed as a merger would take at least a one or two generations before its accepted. So a merger of both Hull clubs would create more issues than it would solve. Not sure how a joint stadium would work either unless it was in the centre of the City rather than in the West or East of the City.
If anyone involved in the running of the game honestly believes a merger would be an option then the game has a serious problem.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"And a few hundred quit a year for Sky Sports. That would go for me.'"
If you get one of those dodgy boxes you'll save a fortune.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"If you get one of those dodgy boxes you'll save a fortune.'"
Just want to clarify that's what I've been told by errrr a bloke in the pub
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| Quote ="Chris71"Agreed as a merger would take at least a one or two generations before its accepted. So a merger of both Hull clubs would create more issues than it would solve. Not sure how a joint stadium would work either unless it was in the centre of the City rather than in the West or East of the City.
If anyone involved in the running of the game honestly believes a merger would be an option then the game has a serious problem.'"
May not necessarily be a FC/KR merger. Remember what happened in 1999/2000.
You could conceivably have Hull merging with Wakefield or Rovers merging with Bradford, for example.
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| Mergers would be pointless anyway if the game was still run by the idiots we have now and self centred greedy chairmen , We'd be back to square one within a few years !!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"The current set of top flight clubs are deckchairs on the Titanic. We've had 20 odd years since Framing the Future and the only real successes for the sport IMO have been the emergence of Catalans and the move to the summer. We're stuck with the same bunch of self interested chairmen resulting in a desperate chase for ever decreasing revenue as the insistence on the status quo creates a competiton with limited horizons and no appetite to create new interest either geographically or formatwise.
The sport needs to pay less attention to the attitudinal fossils that populate its fanbase today and more to the audiences of the future because pandering to the Fev is Fev, Cas is Cas attitudes has got us precisely nowhere.'"
I wonder what excuses there thinking up to deny Toulouse a place at the table .
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| I honestly cannot see the fossils whoever they are?? At the Rfl giving up power.
I cannot see the club chairmen also giving up power and influence either.
Everybody's clinging onto their slice of the cake, to the detriment of the game.
Super leagues got a serious old boys club going on, favours for favours etc
Hopefully I'm wrong but we l see, you d like to think they've all had enough out the sport, and it can be handed over and totally revamped.
Adam hints at some announcements?
Hopefully good news.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I'm worried about a merger, I don't think it solves issues but creates new ones.
On a positive side in theory it means a bigger club that could attract more sponsors, fans and have a stronger youth system.
But I suspect a lot of fans won't get on board with the idea, and two new 'successor' clubs would be formed at amateur level.
Given our issues at the MKM the team would play at Craven Park, which even putting aside my black & white tinted glasses isn't an easy place to travel to. Even if fans give it a go travelling from say Anlaby/Swanland/Willerby to East Hull will soon get unattractive on Thursday and Friday night through our 'cycle friendly' city centre! And good luck finding a bus without loads of changes.
It would also erase all the history and songs. No old clips of cup wins for the social media teams to post, no Old Faithful or Red Red Robin. Even 'come on you 'Ull' is seen as our song and wouldn't be sung.'"
I wouldn't worry it will never happen, most of the old die hard fans like myself from both clubs would more than likely call it a day and live with our past memories. The question is are there as many new younger fans that would get on board with a merged club to replace the old goats like me? I personally think not most youngsters these days want to be footballers & theres a lot that wouldn't get off there x box to attend so a merger just wont work.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"I honestly cannot see the fossils whoever they are?? At the Rfl giving up power.
I cannot see the club chairmen also giving up power and influence either.
Everybody's clinging onto their slice of the cake, to the detriment of the game.
Super leagues got a serious old boys club going on, favours for favours etc
Hopefully I'm wrong but we l see, you d like to think they've all had enough out the sport, and it can be handed over and totally revamped.
Quote Adam hints at some announcements?
Hopefully good news.'"
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He has sold the club to Roman Abramovitch. Roman was recently spotted in B&Q buying furniture for his luxury Villa on Coltman Street.
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| Quote ="old faith full"I wouldn't worry it will never happen, most of the old die hard fans like myself from both clubs would more than likely call it a day and live with our past memories. The question is are there as many new younger fans that would get on board with a merged club to replace the old goats like me? I personally think not most youngsters these days want to be footballers & theres a lot that wouldn't get off there x box to attend so a merger just wont work.'"
If youngster want to be footballers and play on Xboxes what difference will mergers make in the long term?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"If youngster want to be footballers and play on Xboxes what difference will mergers make in the long term?'"
What I mean is if a lot of the older supporters like myself walked away from a merged club for that reason who will replace that number
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| Quote ="old faith full"Quote ="Mrs Barista"If youngster want to be footballers and play on Xboxes what difference will mergers make in the long term?'"
What I mean is if a lot of the older supporters like myself walked away from a merged club for that reason who will replace that number'"
To be honest it’s an interesting point I come from a family where generations have gone, my late granddad started going with his dad, my dad went my grandad and occasionally my nana, the. I started going with my dad & my grandad occasionally also with my mum and nana. Then as we moved to the KC my mum and nana became passholders too until both grandparents passed away.
I know I won’t be the only one that became a fan through family and would hazard a guess that the majority of not just Hull fans but RL fans generally are fans because of family.
So losing older generations to the game is a concern as it’s a core of support that is and has been the life blood of the sport. I would probably argue that the sport as a whole and clubs have relied too much on the generational fan base without looking or working hard enough for ways to bring in new fans from the non RL families instead just being complacent and taking it for granted.
With society and life having many more choices and options for people than ever before lifestyles and the way people live are much different. The competition for peoples spare time is much greater so the sport really has to work much harder to attract a newer element to its fan base.
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"The game is dying a slow death at the moment.
Pearson is right in what he is saying.'"
Its been dying for last 10 years yet were still here
Why's it taken till covid for action to start happening ?
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| We gave away any aces we had up our sleeve with the farce of the Eddie Stobart deal . After that , Every deal since has been poor .
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| Quote ="Chris71"To be honest it’s an interesting point I come from a family where generations have gone, my late granddad started going with his dad, my dad went my grandad and occasionally my nana, the. I started going with my dad & my grandad occasionally also with my mum and nana. Then as we moved to the KC my mum and nana became passholders too until both grandparents passed away.
I know I won’t be the only one that became a fan through family and would hazard a guess that the majority of not just Hull fans but RL fans generally are fans because of family.
So losing older generations to the game is a concern as it’s a core of support that is and has been the life blood of the sport. I would probably argue that the sport as a whole and clubs have relied too much on the generational fan base without looking or working hard enough for ways to bring in new fans from the non RL families instead just being complacent and taking it for granted.
With society and life having many more choices and options for people than ever before lifestyles and the way people live are much different. The competition for peoples spare time is much greater so the sport really has to work much harder to attract a newer element to its fan base.'"
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| AP seems bereft of ideas, as do the rest of the Super League chairmen.
The game has certainly lost a lot of impetus.
Some rule changes unecessary and fed up of the play acting.
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Its been dying for last 10 years yet were still here
Why's it taken till covid for action to start happening ?'"
People have been saying the game's been dying since 1895. See Tony Collins' recent podcast.
The difference here is that social media has given supposed fans of the sport a platform on which to keep saying it over and over so that it's almost in danger of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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| I think AP would have been wise to keep his own counsel at least until after the derby. I don't think I've anticipated a big game less for a long time.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"I think AP would have been wise to keep his own counsel at least until after the derby. I don't think I've anticipated a big game less for a long time.'"
Just give in then.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Just give in then.'"
I've got my mojo back.
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| Yesterday proved we have a great product to sell , We just need the right people to sell it the right way .
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| Quote ="B0NES"Yesterday proved we have a great product to sell , We just need the right people to sell it the right way .'"
There in lies the problem as the ones currently running the game seem to think it’s more to do with changing the product to attract people rather than having people in control that know what marketing actually is, know how to do it and do it successfully.
All they have to do is get off their backsides and actually put a proper shift in and do their jobs instead of just hoping the core fans will just keep turning up and doing their job of bringing new fans to the game for them. Too many involved particularly within the RFL are stealing a salary and have no real experience of qualifications to do what is required.
Until that is addressed the game with continues to flounder and lose ground and credibility.
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| Quote ="Chris71"There in lies the problem as the ones currently running the game seem to think it’s more to do with changing the product to attract people rather than having people in control that know what marketing actually is, know how to do it and do it successfully.
All they have to do is get off their backsides and actually put a proper shift in and do their jobs instead of just hoping the core fans will just keep turning up and doing their job of bringing new fans to the game for them. Too many involved particularly within the RFL are stealing a salary and have no real experience of qualifications to do what is required.
Until that is addressed the game with continues to flounder and lose ground and credibility.'"
The product has always been good even now when things like milking penalties and taking away added things like shoulder charges and fights it all added to it
A scrap is good it gets the crowd going and shows the players care
The rfl and clubs are both to blame, the clubs agreed to things like salary cap remaining so low due to a lack of ambition which is the biggest problem
RL has gone backwards whilst other sports have got bigger
Getting rid of Toronto was a terrible move they had 8,000 fans from scratch, even we didn't get 8,000 in Division 1
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"The product has always been good even now when things like milking penalties and taking away added things like shoulder charges and fights it all added to it
A scrap is good it gets the crowd going and shows the players care
The rfl and clubs are both to blame, the clubs agreed to things like salary cap remaining so low due to a lack of ambition which is the biggest problem
RL has gone backwards whilst other sports have got bigger
Getting rid of Toronto was a terrible move they had 8,000 fans from scratch, even we didn't get 8,000 in Division 1'"
A scrap shows thugs at work.
Salary cap low not because of lack of ambition but because of lack of the readies.
Toronto were a busted flush and still have not paid the players their outstanding wages.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"A scrap shows thugs at work.
Salary cap low not because of lack of ambition but because of lack of the readies.
Toronto were a busted flush and still have not paid the players their outstanding wages.'"
Toronto didn't receive any TV money whilst Catalan do
Not a single team could manage long without TV money look at the outcry from getting reduced sky payments now
A reduced sum is still alot more than nothing
Toronto didn't get a penny huge difference and they brought alot more than Leigh and other clubs ( Salford, Huddersfield, London ) who bring nothing to the pot
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