peter smurthwaite votes no

I voted 'Yes', but I'm now at the point where I don't really care, thats apathy for ya.

He'll be here as Pearson wants him here. Just hope the depths we have to sink to for Lee to get the bullet are not irreparable.

err, that's 3 things but go on then - what mistakes has he made "from a playing point of view" or "man management POV" ?

We can all have our views on team selection tbh, but I am interested in your other two claims !!

"Playing point of view" - poor use of interchanges e.g. not bringing on Rankin and Sa against Bradford until late in the game. In the away game at Salford not bringing on Feka until the second half and then, although he was the best prop, dropping him for the next match.

"man management" - bawling out players who he thought had a poor game or made a mistake in front of the group (this was told to me by a current first team player).

Those are "team selection" aren't they ? he covers those as his third point.

I wasn't questioning that - I was asking about "playing point of view" because I have no idea what this claim is on about !

The two examples I gave were manifestly not "team selection". Team selection means who is in the 17 man squad and in what positions. The examples I gave are clearly different.

A bit like Nathan Brown in the Sporting Life, perhaps.....

Indeed. In fact publicly criticising individual players in the media is probably even worse than bawling them out in front of their team mates. A good man-manager can talk to the press about individual errors without "naming names".

A professional rugby league environment is different to the average workplace. There seems to be a lot of people on here who know the first team environment at Hull inside out despite not being in any position to do so. To be honest I get a bit sick of one pontification after the next deriding Radford's man management capabilities from people who can only be clueless on the subject in reality.

We can all see deficiencies in selection, tactics, structure and the basic skill levels of certain players. All of that is fair game for criticism so why people feel the need to take a punt on the way Radford manages individuals when they have no first hand experience of it whatsoever is beyond me. As has been demonstrated on this thread other coaches in the league do the same things that Radford has done in the media. Wane at Wigan publicly berates his team regularly. If players don't like it then play better - some players like Ellis, Westerman and alike rarely if ever suffer from criticism - maybe that's because they don't deserve it where others do.

There have been a number of extensions and signings recently. If the place was such a nightmare to work at players would be looking to get out not the other way around.

Having never worked with Radford I cant personally comment on his man management skills. However if an established first team player tells me he thinks Radford's man management skills are poor then I'm entitled to post it and in doing so cannot sensibly be accused of pontificating - especially by someone who has no more first hand experience on the subject than I do.

TrevlovesJanice, if you want to stick your head in the sand and can't be 'd to look through the threads & see the huge and simple errors Radford has made time and again that's your look out. That you can't even understand how a lack of basic man managament manifests itselfs in the attitude of the players and the way we are so up and down in performances (mainly down) again is your lack of understanding. That isn't your fault as such, it just means you're not able to see the what, where, how & why..but is is pretty basic and so damn obvious I find it hard that someone with their head in the sand such as yourself can't see it?
I just presume you're a Radford lover and are just blind to the facts??
However the facts bear themselves out, Radford is even worse than Agar, I think that's pretty clear tbh

Radford inherited a decent core squad, not fantastic but some very good & experienced players, a large proportion of these have gone backwards, some dramatically so.
Radford has had pretty much free reign to do what he wanted, Agar didn't
Radford has far more infrastructure & a hugely improved youth set up, Agar most definitely didn't.
Radford hasn't had a shocking injury situation, he's had the luxury of being able to loan players out left right & centre

Both Agar & Radford made the same simple basic errors time & again, one's borne out of inexperience, lack of ability and lack of being able to manage people. However Agar had his hands tied beghind his back, whereas Radford hasn't.
We are so far adrift at the moment I can't beleive some are still backing Radford, insisting he either shouldn't be sacked or give him some games next season..



IF and yes that is a big if, we end up in the quag and find ourselves at the wrong end of the table next season with nack all to show for it (except playing a lot of championship teams) then I hope you can look the rest of us fans in the eye and tell us Radford is the amazing coach you obviously think he is.
No matter what I'll still keep coming to games, but at the moment I'm so disinterested it's untrue, much less bothered than when under Agar and I thought he was well out of his depth & wanted rid/couldn't beleive him being given the job...but despite being a turnip he wasn't a backstabbing liar unlike Radford.

Pearson has made an EPIC mistake, employing a hugely inexperienced coach with ZERO proven ability and was a player that didn't exude confidence or excitement at any point in his career. Pearson employs someone taking on a job purely for seemingly selfish personal reasons (monetary/self adulation)..unless he is so deluded he actually thinks he's anywhere near good enough..which could explain a lot if he did!

But crack on with showing/impressing me with your breakdown of how amazing 'coach' Radford is and what a fantastic job he's done, his achievements and targets that he's hit (not getting relegated doesn't count BTW) over and above what you would expect as a norm for a club of our supposed 'stature'...



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Kosh

As much as I don't rate Radford as a coach, people need to be very careful throwing accusations about him being a "backstabbing liar". Not sure that RLFans can afford to defend any libel action.

Quite. I've just edited one epic rant for that very reason.

Calm down, folks. There's a couple of posts sailing close to warnings/bans.

The obvious difference is that I'm not making any claims precisely due to my lack of first hand knowledge. You deal in unsubstantiated tittle tattle all you like.

My friends daughter is dating one of our main players, obviously I did a bit of digging as to whats been going on. He says all the team are just playing really steady, not trying anything flamboyant or pushing themselves incase it does'nt come off because of the fear being dropped or bawled out by the coach. There are a number of players not happy with the present set-up.

If someone who does have first hand experience of Radford's man management skills tells me his view of them, how is that "unsubstantiated tittle-tattle"?

Or it could simply be its a much easier life at Hull FC than at other clubs on decent money to boot.

What we have seen this season on the field and peformances shows an awful lot of failings and does beg the question what is happening at training & how long they spent there. I must say i have seen groups of the players during the week at a local coffee shop mid afternoon before going home so you do start to question the stuff behind the scenes.

I do believe that Pearson has compounded the problems by employing Radford as head coach as we needed an experienced coach not one that is learning from his mistakes as he goes along. This i believe has lead in many ways to the apathy in performances we have seen this season. In the same way i would feel in my job &performance if i had a manager in charge who wasnt upto the task & learning as they went along.

I just see next season as another of abject failure under the current coaching set up & nothing i have seen throughout this season has given me any hope. We started with a very poor preseason & have not improved since. This for me speaks volumes about the chances of success under Radford.

All i have to say on the matter now is,
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!
RADFORD OUT!

Because you're reporting one person's unsubstantiated [iopinion[/i of Radford's man-management skills. What he says might be true, or it could be coloured by his particular relationship with Radford, or by any other of a number of personal biases that we all carry around.

While I expressed strong doubts in this area as soon as Radford was announced as coach, none of us have any [iproof[/i to substantiate our opinions.

No. We need proof to assert something as being a fact. An opinion is necessarily personal and subjective. If its genuinely and honestly held then its a valid opinion.

Or maybe they are just not good enough?

Ok if Radford quits who do you get to take his place?

But still unsubstantiated.

Well I asked a simple question about what was meant by "playing wise", and I just got a rant back which

a) didn't answer the question
b) involved personal abuse

Not really called for - some people need to grow up !

So I ask the ONE simple question again - what does KnockersBump mean by "playing wise" ? I just don't get it, as Radford isn't actually playing any more.

Drop Holdsworth a line , I'm sure he'll tell anyone how he rates Radford .