He is right! Spot on not one player at hull who can take the game by the scruf of the neck.

I think what people are forgetting is that miller was brought in for next season and that is when he should be judged. With a full off season under his belt I'm confident he will be a pivotal player for us next season, and hopefully for many years to come. He's a raw talent and he just needs nurturing. He certainly doesn't lack ability; he's energetic, skillful, and has a good attitude, the only thing he lacks is experience, hardly surprising given he's just turned 21. I've been very impressed with the kid from what I've seen so far, if anything I think he tries too hard at times (I wish the same could be said for some of our other players). I agree he's not the 'type of player' we required but it's unfair to criticise him because of that. Hes still a good player who is only going to get better. Looking forward to seeing how he goes next year.

i hope your right but hes come from playing in the nrl and representing at state of origin to not been good at all maybe because hes no one around him to look to for guidance broughy was 22 when he won the CC for us in 2005 playing alongside recognised ball players at the time in horne/cooke/swain so maybe its holdsworth and co not doing there jobs around him. radders will make him a better defender if he is to stay at kc.

Just dont get this thread at all. I take it that all the Miller knockers were also calling Yeaman not good enough after he got his backside handed to him the first half dozen games he played for us. Hull didnt have attacking direction before he arrived with Horne and Holdsworth, so i'm not sure what people expected. Hull play very much not to lose, rather than looking to win. Behind a pack with go forward and dummy runners, the kid will be fantastic.

How about we actually see the product next year before we find a new scapegoat.

That could well be plural next year if things don't pan out.


Sir Richard will get immunity but you'll probably be able to throw the coaching staff and the rest of the players into a bag right now and give it a good shake.

the days of signing a colin best are over im afraid

I'll go for Miller and Holdsworth. Im sure Ellis will have a good shout. Crookes is another to mention. Yeaman has an outside chance and I reckon Feka's name will be mentioned too. Any I've missed off?

Pitts?
But if we started looking at our No9 we might go a long way too seeing where a lot of our problems originate from.

Just saying, like.

He does need to improve distribution. I think our biggest problem is not fighting to get off the deck. We're just so slow at the lay the ball.

But he should be in the England squad and can tackle dead good.

Exactly. He's been thrown in the deep end with a team who are inept in attack. He has obvious talent.

I sense another weird scapegoat, a la Westerman.

It's all well and good saying that but point us in the direction of realistic alternatives. Miller needs time and patience from the fans. We do not want another Seymour incident on our hands.

I'd say Jamie Carragher's made a good start to life as a pundit too and a lot are tipping him to be a manager one day. He lives and breathes football.

Horne will no doubt get the blame by some of the usual haters.

Millers tried his best and doesn't stop. He's not helped by an ineffectual pack who can't find the floor and get a quick PTB. Watch the other teams and compare with ours. It Holdsworth who needs replacing, not Miller. The kid clearly has talent. Holdsworth shows up in 3 or 4 games.

We need a "Dobson" to take us around the park, and that ain't Holdsworth.

I agree totally how can you expect any Halfback to play on the back of a losing pack ???
We have not been agressive enough for years now

that is why we have brought in Paea ( and the project that is FEKA)
give the kid a chance after a full pre season
Looks a decent prospect to me and given a bit of confidence could turn out to be our Dobbo

Jacob will be a good player the lad is settling in, Holdsworth is the biggest let down IMO he has no heart and is very incosistent.

I thnk he has heart.
Just don't think he's as good as was sold, or hoped, or believed he would be.

Miller is the way forward.
He needs looking after.

So Miller can't be expected to play well behind a beaten pack, but Holdsworth can?

Probably why neither have set the world on fire.
Holdsworth is just bang average other than his boot (important factor I concede). We need a superior 6.
Miller has the potential to lead a team around the park in the future if he gets the breaks imo.

As second receiver he gets more time with the ball, Miller's under pressure straight away.

Well that would depend on the speed of pass to the second receiver and upon Miller always being first receiver and Holdsworth always being second. To lay all the blame at Holdsworth's door when they're both playing in similar positions ands in equally difficult circumstances seems to be a little like, er, what's that popular word on here? Oh, yeah, scapegoating.

If Radford can address our woeful play the ball speed in the off season, both players should be given a fair chance to show what they can do behind a pack that isn't everyone's bitch.

Exactly my thinking on our 2 overseas halfbacks ATM. Only one looks to be at least attempting to stand up and be counted, Holdsworth seems more willing to go into hiding when it's tough going.

I've noticed that will all teams but Wigan. Wigan always have there first man as O'Loughlin, Then the playmakers.

In a nutshell. Our no. 1 problem for the last 5 years or so. Sort it and add runners and our attack will transform.