I typed the same thing and then chickened out and deleted it! I agree though especially as Agar more or less brought him in to sort discipline out and thereby placed him in an elevated position rather than just letting his past career and seniority win their respect. I can forsee Fitz being desperate to play in the cup game(s) especially , will he play injured? Will that be for the right reason if he does?

No not happy.

I very rarely come on here any more, only to keep abreast of what is going on, just cant be bothered with all this anymore.
The bottom line is, the club is going nowhere under Agar and the present BOD, the vast majority of fans know this, from the heights of 2006 the club have gone backwards at an alarming rate, we have being conned into accepting mediocrity and that scraping into the top 8 is some kind of achievement. The franchise system and the lack of relegation hasnt helped, what real incentive have the club got when they know they are guaranteed a place in SL and guaranteed income. The club in recent years only seem to be interested in squeezing every last pound out of its supporters, which is no surprise with a marketing man at the helm. Me and my family stopped going last year after supporting the club since the heady days of 79-80, and we know we are not alone, partly due to financial pressures but mainly due to being totally disheartened and disinterested and will not go again until Agar goes or the club do something to inspire me into returning.

Unfortunately, I think that is how an increasing number of fans feel

Another Agar out thread shocker on a tuesday eh?? LOL
you know wether some like it or not , the coach can only do so much to influence a team and its performance and the rest is where ntheir own professional pride and performance then come into play and over the last few weeks RA had turned the team around slowly into a bunch of guys that were becoming hard to beat and you all know that , that sequence was eneded by a gutsy display against Saints that no one could have had a complaint about and then again against leeds we came up short..

Why did we come up short against Leeds??? well this is why and this is the ONLY excuse there is ...
Leeds for the first time in a wee while fired on all cylinders and did to us what they have done to many over the years at the final whistle however until the players threw the towel in with 10 to go we were holding them in most areas , although not making any inroads.... so what does that mean ???
Our defence is as good as anyone in SL at present but we have the same issue at present we have had for some time and that is a lack of thought process on the island at 6 and 7 and without that it does not make any difference how well you defend you will not score much without it...

Then we lost Fitz who is a leader by nature and at that point we stopped going to our go to players and played 80s style rugby which their pack accepted all match but with their Burrow, sinfield and so on they had thinking going on and movement which we didnt have in the team never mind on the park... lets face it Horne is not an organiser as has been proved many times and Sam was clearly suffering and the jabs not working hence he looked off the pace but thats all we had...
For two seasons or more we have suffered by having no back up halves and so with Long out of the plan we have the same scenario as earlier in the season all over again but this time Sam playing through pain as well ....

which ever way you look at it the result you cant hide from because it was a beating by anyones account but up to 70 mins they were no better than us apart from two bits of brilliance and we matched them without being pretty about it...

as for Fitz, I think it is hilarious to bag him in any way, the guy is a legend and played through some stuff this year that would have ended most players careers, he gets no special help from the club but in fact puts in more even when injured than most do when fit... and even when in his prime he wasnt a line breaker that often but was known as a banger in defence..

I will also say that i really dont give a flying what some think of my posts on here or wether you think this or that it bothers me not a jot , i can honestly state though that i have never wanted the team to lose and try to be positive at all times even when its hard to find positives and do what i can to address that situation whenever posible and put a lot into what i do but it is clear that doesnt fit the remit of many on this site but by nature of what it is on here I cant say that forum sneidiness has much bearing on the team or its performance as you know but gives some an avenue to vent their feelings in open forum, some to vent their anger... and some to vent their shallow lives however me for one thinks RA is the right man for the job , (funny though some think he is cheap i must say) and had he been lucky with his halves we would have a much different tune to that being harped here, thankfully the BOD scrapped the old plan of sack a coach each year and decided to show commitment to a man who has shown a ton of commitment to our club whilst being often openly hated by many fans especially on these forums.

Coaches dont miss tackles, drop balls, go out drinking the night before games etc etc.. RA is clear in how he wants it played just cant produce miracles with no halves, and thats all there is to it ...

so in answer to the question ...Yes RA is the man for the job

for those with short memories ...warrington!!

I stopped reading at the point 'Leeds were firing on all cylinders'

Leeds were shiite

as expected, wonder whos next

It is amazing but not surprising that you (whoever you are) really believe Leeds were firing on all cylinders...even our KR friends believe it was 2 very poor teams...

"firing on all cylinders" to "up to 70 minutes no better than us"

make your mind up Jaconelli

Exactly...Leeds firing on all cylinders yet only score 6 points in 70 minutes...Maybe he has never watched Leeds when they have fired on all cylinders, flippin' eck it would have been a cricket score

So to back up your argument that it's not down to coaching, you bring up an example where a change in coach has brought about immediate success?? That is priceless even for you

I think he's referring to us beating Warrington at Warrington, which is ancient history ina results based business.

Unbelievable that...surely at this point in the season know-one can expect us to be happy as fans because we beat Warrington at easter!!

So if we do not make the top 8 we can look back and think oh well we beat Wire at easter

some hark back to a CC Final appearance in 08, it just suits them.

Anyone with a brain and functioning eyes can see Agar is not up to the job.

Oh, I thought he was trying to back up the point that the coach makes little or no difference and it's all because the players are out on the pish every night

But we finished 6th last season don't ya know

10 minutes from 4th

3 seasons of mediocrity says RA is not the man for the job. He has not taken us forward as a club on the field infact the opposite is true. The fact the two coaches previously that were sacked for poor results had arguably a better % ration than Agar plus he was the assistant to the 2 failed coaches so all in all it's pretty depressing reading.

Agar has had 3 years to turn it around and its clear in a results based business he has failed and we are supposed to be pleased that we are scrapping for 8th place??

a good coach and a plan B from 4th, I think you'll find

Do you honestly beleive that?

Leeds did the basics a lot better than Hull on Friday night. Due to the wet conditions they held posession better than Hull. They took fewer risks than normal due to the conditions and played a patient waiting game. Once they got their noses in front they knew Hull had to chase the game as, with a wet ball, we managed to knock it on more than we have done for the previous 3 games.

The only good think from Hulls point of view from Friday is that we defended well, especially close to our line. The problem was, with the weight of posession Leeds had we inevitably we not going to keep them out for ever.

The game was in the balance until a penalty under our posts ensured the game was dead and burried. That they scored twice after that was largely irrelevant.

Leeds played the conditions better. To suggest they were "shiite" shows your ignorance of the game.

Thanks for the light hearted comedy relief Icecreamman.

would only have been improved if he'd trotted out the "new balls" conspiracy as another defence of Fubar.

Shiite was harsh....they were poor! any of the top 6 sides would have turned them over, the amount of ball they had and opportunities near our line supports the fact they were poor....to suggest otherwise shows your lack of knowledge on the game.

Hull FC Sean Long 7 Apps Richard Horne 20 Apps
Saints Kyle Eastmond 14 Apps Leon Pryce 2 Apps

Strange how Saints can do ok without the first choice halfbacks.