Which would be what exactly ?

The only thing he had going for him was his sidestep and pace, he's losing the latter and very rarely goes the distance these days. Players know his sidestep is coming so its heavily clamped down on.

I'd love to eat humble pie but I've being saying that since 2003 now.

well said, we lose to leeds and everyones on suicide watch again

play of the back of other players controlling the game rather then having to try to do that himself which he cant

I agree. I hope that I am proven wrong and Hull turn it around and win the cup game but from what I saw tonight it will be difficult.

Its the ease at which a very poor Leeds side which worries most people.

If we can't beat Leeds as they are now how would we hope to in the play offs ?

We won't win anything this season, winning next week will only delay the inevitable.

So when has he done this for us ?

are you been serious?, horney has done this all his carrer never been an orginising half and never will be but hes a good running half with a good short kicking game

so in one breath your saying he's not an organiser then in the next breath your saying he can control a game.

no hes a running half that feeds of pivots that can control a game very much like pryce but horney has a good short kicking ffs

Its average and he's lost a lot of pace.

You ever wondered why we've never being troubled for his signature ?

yeh his long kicking is but his short is pretty good and weve scored plenty of points from short little kicks from horney

Anyone can stick a ball into the in goal area, in fact it'll be something most under 16's could do.

We deserve better as a club, I thank rich for his service but we needed a change and it hasn't come. That is another two years down the pan unless Seymour can win us it all on his own.

We can still finish top 8? hardly something to draw solice from!

Top 6 should be pre-requisite. There's a bit of over-reacting going on but people are justified in questioning our likely league finish with an ounce of pesimism.

youve just said its poor and now your saying anyone can kick a ball into a ingoal area?, we do deserve better as a club and i think the club needed a change after about 6-8 games into the season but just wont happen. seymour is very good signing and ive said before POTENTAILLY he could be the best overseas signing since swain but can agar mould mckinnon, seymour, horne, houghton and heremia into a great attacking structure as a team i dont think so

One never knows if what you say occurs, he may 'fall on his sword' or something similar may occur, but may bthat sort of thing only takes place in fairy tales.

Oh please.

Should Hull loose next Sunday, I believe that it goes without saying that season will be over for most Hull fans, no matter what the coaching staff, players and Mr Rule [is he still around? will have to say on the subject.

Was going to start a thread on this. Last couple of years he's been highly visible, but barely hear of him now.

no no the race for the 8 posistion is going to be really exciting you wait

I do not believe now that Hull will make the top eight. I hope that I am proved wrong but after tonight's display I am not hopeful.

Leeds were better tonight in a VERY poor game, simple as.

But I'm hearing of Ladbrokes investigating suspicious betting patterns, lots of bets on how many times we'd take the wrong option in attack and how many times we'd have first receiver run straight into the markers from a 45 degree angle. The latter was so predictable, they've got their work cut out

i think its going to be a right struggle now to get 8th thats why tonight was such an important game and yet again failed to perform against a top team. our season will live on or end on sunday simple as

With such a tough run in, it was one of the more winnable games left. Big chance missed, possibly a crucial one.

and let down. Where does the blame lie, coaching staff, players or both? I wish I knew.

Did I miss Sharp tonight. Only we let in 2 tries on the right side with an overlap for Hall.

Slightly puzzled why there isn't a thread about Sharp