We've had no scrum half. We've lacked big name big reputation forwards. We've lacked leaders on the pitch which comes with bringing in experienced internationals.

We've also underperformed in a variety of other positions too.

Its funny cos people praise us for having loads of Hull born players in our 17 but to a large extend that has hindered us too. We'll have the balance next year.

So your squad hasnt been too young and inexperienced then....?

Thorman has bags of experience

he said scrum half

Centre, Scrum half, prop, and you could argue second row and fullback.

In what way do you think Hull have given little thought to subsequent years out of interest?