Long wouldn't have made that much difference last night. We are so flat in attack with no dummy runners etc that he'd have nothing to work with. I could train 13 chimps to come up with better attacking moves than Agar does with his team.

The atmosphere at the game was terrible. Most people sat near me in the East Stand had no interest in the game whatsoever and were only there because they were passholders and had already paid.

If the same garbage is served up for the remaining 5 home games we'll be lucky to sell 4000 passes next season.

Time and time again we were way too deep in attack in the second half.

not too deep, they jst set off running too late

I thought that other than in their 20 it was pretty good imo. The forwards went well (I much prefare Radford at prop), the defence was pretty good (hell there was even a bit of line speed) and the effort was much better imo. However it was the same old story of looking clueless on the oppositions line. I think Salford are not getting the credit they deserve because they played well, however there are not many other teams that we would have beaten. Probably only Celtic, Bradford and Rovers.

So in summary, an improvement but we need to learn how to cross the line once in a while or else we won't be winning too many more.

I think i must have seen things differently. I saw the intention last night from the 1st touch of the game to rectify the issues weve had all season.
IMO we:
-moved away from 5 drives and a kick, even though it was slow and laboured its a step in the right direction
-showed good line speed in defence lead excellently by Radford and Berrigan
-fought to get up for a ptb, and if it werent for the ref allowing salford to get away with murder we would have done it more too
-moved away from starting with 3 props. I'd have still rather Whiting played 13 but thought we looked more balanced with Tickle there.
-used our interchanges better. Would have still not had 2 hookers on the bench but players were better used imo

Still loads to work on but i did see positive signs last night for the first time all season. (it was almost like either Agar wasnt in charge last night or it was his last desperate throw of the dice)

Spot on, but the more they work on it the more it will come naturally.

Agree 100%. (the ironic thing however is that Radford has always played as a prop. Just the psychological impact previously of us expecting different things from someone named at 13)

He justified his selection in that role in front of Whiting for me. However Tickle never justified why he was selected at 13 in front of Whiting for me.

i'd rather believe ddd than the hull fc brainwashed hosts on kcfm!!!

Seriously the halves need to attack the line more and then turn for the support players. We went across and backwards to much from first and second receiver. FFS Thorman lost the ball with no one near him whilst doing exactly that.

Reading through this thread, can I take it that Thorman's short-lived renaissance following the Leeds debacle is well and truly over?

There never was one for me. He is an embarrassment and as you well know I don't normally go in for individual player slagging.

He was poor again last night, in fact I can't believe he wasn't subbed earlier than he was. He literally runs into the players he's passing too. I did notice last night on one last tackle play, he put in a kick which went straight to Whilshire and Berrigan just looked at him with total disbelief at what he'd done.

Probably surprised he was still on the pitch like all of us.

Pretty much.

I'm sure one of his penalty kicks to touch actually went zero yards forward. And that was in our own half.

Pretty much. I'd go Berro at 7, Horne 6, Whiting 13.

Bloody hell I'd forgotten about that dismal effort. TBH I don't know why we bother with penalty kicks to touch anymore we might as well just take a tap. Thorman must have his own personel micro climate because he always appears to be playing into a gale force wind.

Thorman's kicking was alright but his and Richard Horne's passing game is shocking they jsut can't pass it with any pace and it took Berro to come on and put someone through the gap.

To be fair to both of them (Horne and Thorman) they looked to get involved a lot more this week and atleast we looked like we had some attacking structure however they where far too deep and we still struggle to hit players with pace, the amount of times someone got the ball while standing still was shocking.

A very very long way to go and to, too many average players in a team with very average half backs.

I think I remember that one. I thought DDD had just messed up as usual when he said we were re-starting on the 30m line after a penalty.

Tickle wants binning for his off field antics . Taking Thackray with him .

easily done....I once managed to slice a penalty on our 20 back 10 metres...one of our props (who had to cart the ball back out) called me, amongst other things, a useless c***!

Did you go to the galpharm by mistake?

Couldnt comment on that. I'd be happy with Tickle and Burnett in the 2nd row with Whiting at 13. Manu off the bench.

biggest cheer of the night when he got taken off with a few mins to go, I thought the ref had awarded a penalty try or something and only the south stand had seen it