Totally agree.

See my post above yours!

TBH I take sports stats with a VERY large pinch of salt. The mechanism for their collection and compilation is far from clear, and many of them are based on subjective judgements. IMO they are of very limited use.

OK then.

So what is Horne's Role?

For me it's making breaks, supporting play help orgaisise the team and put some good kicks in.

The last couple of games he hasnt done any of this.

But Thorman has been getting all the stick.

It's not an inaccurate statement. Pointing at some contextless numbers doesn't change this.



They use them, but do so with much more thought than a quick scan of a couple of meaningless numbers. At least, I hope they do. To do otherwise would be extremely foolish and naive.

OK then - what constitutes a missed tackle for statistical purposes?

How many of the tackles listed for each player is when he's third man in?

What constitutes a clean break?

Who collects the stats? How many of them are there? Do they do it live or from video footage? What's their RL background? How familiar are they with the game and rules?

No statistician worth his salt would use data with so many unknowns.

Why do they players take no blame whatsoever? I agree with you most of the time but I can't understand your thinking that everything that goes wrong is down to Agar. Someone misses a tackle, drops a ball, looks lazy and uninterested and it's all Agar's fault.

For me its 50/50 between the coaches and the players.

Just watched the highlights. Horne is instrumental in two of our tries, taking the ball to the line and passing superbly to put players through gaps.

Seems like halfback play to me.

Performed pretty much as expected really, he has shown a lot of quality in some games especially with his short kicking game, he isnt enough of a playmaker or have the character or the long range kicking game to play as a 7 week in and week out in SL.

After missing out on the "not good enough" Michael Dobson i'd imagine Thorman is a more than adequate addition

Wigan were also interested in Dobson and said that they offered a "chocolate bar" and Rovers offered him "the factory". Like us, Wigan couldn't accomodate Dobson and stay under the salary cap.

Thorman is a decent player but not a world beater - He has not imposed himslef in recent games but when he does i think he makes a big difference on the team - I still think we need a world class 7 next season; Thorman will be good enough to get in the play-offs but lacks the killer edge to get us all the way to Old Trafford

You mean we put our money where our mouth is and got the player in we wanted and needed. Stupid business that

Dont believe at all you was spending at the full cap last season!

Sure I remember you signing someone after losing out on Dobson.

What Dobson wanted and Rovers were in a position to pay (i.e. the "whole factory" that Noble referred to, as opposed to the "chocolate bar"icon_wink.gif would have taken us over.

You assume

We had a lot of injuries last season. We had numerous players in on loan that we wouldn't have expected to have needed to pay for when planning the salary cap spend - just off the top of my head, Danny Williams, Jodie Broughton and Adel Fellous, plus we brought in Jamie Thackray fairly early on. Don't forget we were paying a fair wedge for Adam Dykes, Matt Sing, Garreth Carvell as well. We had some money left under the cap, but not enough for Dobson's "chocolate factory" level of wage demands.

But then again we don't know what he gets payed

i wonder if dykes has had his injury sorted out yet. i'd have him back in a flash if i knew he would be fully fit.

you are peter sharpe and i claim my £5.

Thorman has not impressed me



ok i think he's rubbish

Thormans rubbish, has anyone told him you can kick up field and not just left and right? And if possible kick to your own players and not the opposing teams.

More than Thorman, about £130k pa

thorman was embarrasing on sunday he better get his act together on friday if hes picked his kicking into touch is appalling needs to practice ALOT!!