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| Quote ="Darrell"So donating money to the Labour party puts you above the law?'"
If anyone seriously believes that Allam throwing a few £k at the national party would have any effect on the decisions of a majority Labour controlled council, then they're away with the fairies.
The unions donate £millions each year and I can't remember the last time Labour introduced pro-union legslation.
Allam's donation is a straw man in the extreme
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Hull City's financial change in circumstances is a separate issue to the SMC materially breaching the terms of the Head lease though, right?'"
Of course, but when you're short of cash losing an extra half a million is a lot of money. The City Council have the power to stop Hull City getting academy 2 status and all that entails. The question is will they do it or let Assem Allam get away with it? The audit has already said Hull City's facilities passed the test. All that stands between the City of Hull getting a category 2 football academy is Hull City Council. Do they have the backbone to stand up on behalf of the evicted users of the Arena?
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| Quote ="Obadiah"Of course, but when you're short of cash losing an extra half a million is a lot of money. The City Council have the power to stop Hull City getting academy 2 status and all that entails. The question is will they do it or let Assem Allam get away with it? The audit has already said Hull City's facilities passed the test. All that stands between the City of Hull getting a category 2 football academy is Hull City Council. Do they have the backbone to stand up on behalf of the evicted users of the Arena?'"
Half a million's about 10 weeks wages for a player isn't it? Not that material.
Do the council have the backbone? "Hell yeah"
Quote ="phil webbo" I can assure people on here that the council has no intension of taking this lying down because remarks made earlier about future plans of the SMC may well come to pass if we just wave a white flag, I for one will be arguing that these facilities were not built for the exclusive use of Hull City AFC, but for the use of the people of Hull whatever their sport.
The reason I won't be a party to selling off the facilities is being born out now, what next padlocks on the gates, I remember Mr LLoyd all to well, yet his actions seem to have been forgotten because certain people think we are a backward council and should give him what he wants '"
Quote ="phil webbo in April"Had the meeting this morning with Steve, He is [uadamant that they (SMC) have 10 days to return the Arena to its former state (7 days left) or action will DEFINATELY be taken regardless of cost, he said "the only way that the 3G pitch stays down is if a court rules against us" so it looks like the battle lines have been draw no if buts or maybe's[/u'"
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| Surely April was more than 10 days ago? Has something happened to phil webbo? Did he lose his seat or maybe something worse has happened to him? Getting a bit worried about him now
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Surely April was more than 10 days ago? Has something happened to phil webbo? Did he lose his seat or maybe something worse has happened to him? Getting a bit worried about him now'" The council have since said that they would delay a decision until after the audit.
They have now asked to meet the FA before the decision is ratified.
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| Quote ="ccs"The council have since said that they would delay a decision until after the audit.
They have now asked to meet the FA before the decision is ratified.'"
I know that but the question is why would they wait if he's in breach of his tenancy agreement?
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| My interpretation of this situation is, that if a dispute between the two parties exist,(regardless of the auditor's recommendation).
The FA will reject the soccer club's proposal for Tier 2 status.
Therefore the Council do not need to take legal action, only if the Allam's still refuse to remove the 3g pitch.
Also an extract from The Dentist's Diary...
l contacted a Councillor close to the action who sent me an E mail that explains the Council’s position and he agreed that I could enclose an extract from it here for your information.
[i“The reason that the council are holding off is that should the Allam’s fail to upgrade the academy they will take up the pitch, but if they were successful we would then instigate proceedings to have it removed which is very expensive, people need to remember this is public money and we need to be mindful of that, so if by waiting a few weeks we can resolve this, why would we start (Lengthy) and expensive court proceedings? As far as the question of those political contributions, they were to the National party not Labour (Hull) we have had not one word from the national party on this, It has never even been mentioned in passing, to sum up, if we can get to where we need to be cost free, we will take that option every time”[/i
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| Another slight possibility is that the council have said to Mr Allam, "If you want the audit ratified by the FA, then it will be on our terms, and this is what you'll need to do....".
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| I think it is more straightforward. Council at the meeting with the FA ask whether the Allams have stated its for exclusive use. If they have, they have evidence to prove a breach.
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| Quote ="weaver93"My interpretation of this situation is, that if a dispute between the two parties exist,(regardless of the auditor's recommendation).
The FA will reject the soccer club's proposal for Tier 2 status.
Therefore the Council do not need to take legal action, only if the Allam's still refuse to remove the 3g pitch.
Also an extract from The Dentist's Diary...
l contacted a Councillor close to the action who sent me an E mail that explains the Council’s position and he agreed that I could enclose an extract from it here for your information.
[i“The reason that the council are holding off is that should the Allam’s fail to upgrade the academy they will take up the pitch, but if they were successful we would then instigate proceedings to have it removed which is very expensive, people need to remember this is public money and we need to be mindful of that, so if by waiting a few weeks we can resolve this, why would we start (Lengthy) and expensive court proceedings? As far as the question of those political contributions, they were to the National party not Labour (Hull) we have had not one word from the national party on this, It has never even been mentioned in passing, to sum up, if we can get to where we need to be cost free, we will take that option every time”[/i'"
The council should not be responsible for the cost of removal of the 3G pitch.
If spending public money on a legal case to protect the use of a public asset is not in the public interest, then there it little point in having a local government organisation.
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| Quote ="Mick Cranes Sidestep"I think it is more straightforward. Council at the meeting with the FA ask whether the Allams have stated its for exclusive use. If they have, they have evidence to prove a breach.'"
Having exclusive use is a requirement of Category 2 status, which the auditors have recommended, right?
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| Didn't the council supposedly write to the FA to say city didn't have exclusive use of the arena already? Surely that can;t be misinterpreted by the FA
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Having exclusive use is a requirement of Category 2 status, which the auditors have recommended, right?'"
The rules allow the rules to be varied if appropriate.
The only rule that matters is whether Hull City have a valid agreement to rent the property. If the Council say they haven't and will be taking legal action then no academy.
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| Quote ="weaver93"My interpretation of this situation is, that if a dispute between the two parties exist,(regardless of the auditor's recommendation).
The FA will reject the soccer club's proposal for Tier 2 status.
Therefore the Council do not need to take legal action, only if the Allam's still refuse to remove the 3g pitch.
Also an extract from The Dentist's Diary...
l contacted a Councillor close to the action who sent me an E mail that explains the Council’s position and he agreed that I could enclose an extract from it here for your information.
[i“The reason that the council are holding off is that should the Allam’s fail to upgrade the academy they will take up the pitch, but if they were successful we would then instigate proceedings to have it removed which is very expensive, people need to remember this is public money and we need to be mindful of that, so if by waiting a few weeks we can resolve this, why would we start (Lengthy) and expensive court proceedings? As far as the question of those political contributions, they were to the National party not Labour (Hull) we have had not one word from the national party on this, It has never even been mentioned in passing, to sum up, if we can get to where we need to be cost free, we will take that option every time”[/i'"
The Council may still need to take action if the SMC refuses to repair any damage to the floor caused by the installation of the pitch and the temporary flooring for the squash.
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| Anyone know what's going on with this now? Pitch has been down 2 months.
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| I think we're still waiting for the FA to ratify the upgrade of the Academy.
I would imagine the 28 people employed at city's academy will be interested as well.
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Latest update here... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Airco-Ar ... story.html
I assume the Council are awaiting the FA's verdict, which should state the Football club are in dispute with the Landlord,therefore Tier 2 cannot be approved,until dispute is settled.
Worst case scenario,FA accept approval, ,then Council start legal proceedings.
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Latest update here... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Airco-Ar ... story.html
I assume the Council are awaiting the FA's verdict, which should state the Football club are in dispute with the Landlord,therefore Tier 2 cannot be approved,until dispute is settled.
Worst case scenario,FA accept approval, ,then Council start legal proceedings.
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Quote ="weaver93"Latest update here... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Airco-Ar ... story.html
I assume the Council are awaiting the FA's verdict, which should state the Football club are in dispute with the Landlord,therefore Tier 2 cannot be approved,until dispute is settled.
Worst case scenario,FA accept approval, ,then Council start legal proceedings.'"
Thanks for the update. For all the money and resources in football, they seem to work at a snail's pace.
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Quote ="weaver93"Latest update here... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Airco-Ar ... story.html
I assume the Council are awaiting the FA's verdict, which should state the Football club are in dispute with the Landlord,therefore Tier 2 cannot be approved,until dispute is settled.
Worst case scenario,FA accept approval, ,then Council start legal proceedings.'"
Thanks for the update. For all the money and resources in football, they seem to work at a snail's pace.
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| Here we go:
@angus_young61: The city council starts legal action against the SMC over 'breach of lease' at the Airco Arena. My story in tomorrow's @hulldailymail
Best things come to those who wait..
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Here we go:
@angus_young61: The city council starts legal action against the SMC over 'breach of lease' at the Airco Arena. My story in tomorrow's @hulldailymail
Best things come to those who wait..'"
Good on em !!
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| I wonder why HCC has decided to take legal action now.
Previously,I was under the impression that HCC ,would wait for the FA's decision to state, that Tier 2 could not be approved until the dispute is settled.
Maybe the Council feel, the SMC wont enter into any dialogue,regardless of the FA's decision?
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| Maybe, unofficially, the FA has said to the council that they can't/won't make a decision until the dispute is settled.
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| Perhaps the laughter at their relegation has only just died down?
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Perhaps the laughter at their relegation has only just died down?'"
Perhaps they are thinking of the consequences for Hull FC?
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| What do you mean, Obadiah?
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