I think we have the most forgiving fans in superleague,after finishing a magnificent 11th last season,we start off with a highly promising win at the giants and a narrow loss v warrington,we then go to a team who had shipped 50+ pts at home and are missing 5 1st choice players and get beat.I know we missed ellis badly and had some good performances in our side,but as with last season radford says changes will be made,well yeaman should have had the axe last season but kept his place and tom lineham is a shadow of the player before his injury.If our fans who went on saturday thought they were watching a team playing with passion and pride in the shirt then we agree to disagree.As I saw it it could be a match from last season,mini thompson and pryce (who I thought was a poor signing) played well and looks like proving me wrong,rankin good on attack,poor on defence,but players like westerman among others look as though they are just going through the motions.We all know westy is class but for me just isnt giving 100%.I wish I had the optimism some of my fellow supporters and will be happy to be wrong,but for me we have got good players and a poor coach,and will not improve till we get a quality coach.

I don't doubt it, but '1865' is describing Westerman as 'our only international' as if he is at international level & that he doesn't need to up his game which I think we are in agreement he isn't quite at the level he/us would like him to be.

I just think it is especially hard for fans to fathom how we can be so tight for 2 weeks and then seemingly go to pot against what on paper (Chase aside) wasn't/won't be the strongest side we'll face this year, certainly one that got battered by Saints only 2 weeks before. From that we start to look at whom is doing X or Y, who isn't seemingly pulling their weight (Green has being singled out & Bowden to an extent) and asking questions and indeed have doubts, that's only natural.

Lose tomorrow and it puts more pressure on everyone, players, coaches AND the supporters, not only in believing that the coach/players can do the job but the worry of what will happen IF they can't.
Win and it totally changes the mood, that's how it is, I can understand that some fans want to be upbeat no matter what is served up, but for a fair portion how the team do at the weekend reflects very heavily on how we feel & analyse what is happening with the club/players coach hence threads like this.

Maybe when you've been to your first match in 8 months you'll be able to make an informed judgement.

Are you referring to me, if so what is your point, inacurate as it is?
I think I'm quite able to ascertain how people think without attending as many live games as most and whilst I can watch the recorded games I think I have as much a grasp of how things are as anyone else..So what is your judgement superfan?

You are right tomorrow's game is massive. A win and last week can be written off as a bad day at the office, and 2 from 4 is probably as good as we could have expected from 4 difficult games. Even if we play well and lose ala the Warrington game, three losses in a row does nothing for the team or supporter morale. Especially with a trip to Wigan up next.

It's early in the season and a loss by no means takes us out of the top 8 reckoning. But it's still a very important game.

Because he is Bumpy lad.



More Bumpy BS

Read what was said, what I responded to and you'll see that you've added a few things that weren't actually said. Poor form, but entirely predictable.

With Paea, Watts and Thompson, picking one from Green/Bowden/Feka isn't the end of the world. Centre's our biggest issue IMO. Sa will probably only play half the games this season, Whiting's injured and Yeamo ineffective.

Paea has been our best prop IMO.
Trying to turn this thread a bit more positive, Thompson has been outstanding, thought he had a good season last year, but has really kicked on, happy with both halfs and Mini. Houghton he usually self, although personally OI think his distribution has been better (although it is easily with faster play of the balls and better halfs). Jurys still out on the rest.

Agree about centre, its real big concern and we should already be looking at recruitment for that position for next season.

I still think Thomspon is best suited to backrow and I'm sure both his trys were scored from form playign out wide last week.

I'd have Feka, Paea, Watts and Green/Bowden as props and Thomspon on the bench to play in the backrow, if we give him a run of games there, he could be an outstanding backrower.

Next season I'd try sign Whitehaed and move Ellis up to prop.

Being a little unfair on Sa, his body is probably still acclimatising to RL.

Needs a decent partner in the centres, be nice to get Cudjoe.

This post is about who should step up.
Talk of Green and Bowden is a little harsh, their wages compared to for example Westy I am sure the coach expects more from him than those two.
All teams have stars and players who are grafters/fillers in the squad, I think Bowden shows some promise and his aggression would have helped against Salford.

Here we go again...

Wages have zero relevance to performance. Westerman is below his best but still contributing more than Green, and at least we know that Westy can get better. The same can't be said for Green, sadly.

Never fear! Yeaman wants another contract.

Cudjoe - hes 5hite! Id rather keep Yeaman if that was the case

I agree with you.

Why would we want a centre, who in SL 2014 (playing two less games than Yeaman) had the following stats:

Try Assists - 15
Meters - 2,158
Average Gain - 9.11m
Offloads - 28
Errors - 19
Tackle Busts - 47
Clean Breaks - 12
He also had just 32 missed tackles.

The vastly superior Yeaman measures up:

Try Assists - 9
Meters - 1,845
Average Gain - 7.38m
Offloads - 11
Errors - 30
Tackle Busts - 32
Clean Breaks - 15
With 37 missed tackles.

Complete e as you say. They both are.

surely if you pay one player 100k and the other 50k (figures pulled out of the air) then yes both should give 100% effort but you would expect more from one ability/creative wise. lets hope tonight everyone turns up firing.

I'd rather have Wardel than Cudjoe.

I'd also be happy with Junior Sau from Salford.

We will probably look to the NRL though.

Our problem especially against a lesser teams, has been a problem for many seasons...

It is a collective team issue, other RL teams employ a Sports Psychologist, AFAIK... we don't...

Regarding Green, I think he's mainly selected as he can play a lot of minutes, maybe we should use
our interchanges more wisely..

I'd be surprised if Green & Feka are here next season.. Paea may not be signed, as Taylor will probably replace him on the cap.
I expect next season in the prop dept, that Ellis ,Taylor,Bowden,Watts Thompson and possibly BTW...

Right centre is a problem. maybe the young English centre at the Eels,might return...

Or we could just give the spot to Logan?

If ready yes, but we need more than two centres anyway, especially with Sa's injury record.

Taylors another one who's 5hite but he'll fit in with Watts, Green and Bowden who are all 5hite too

All inconsistent - turn up for one game, go missing for two hence the side doing the same

Can't beleive you ever even considered wasting £100 tonight

Moneys in the sky rocket - watching on sky cos im not a real supporter

Not happy in saying it but i fooking knew it

Have a read at my post on page 5 of this thread,Its unreal that it seems only I could see whats going on, still 1 or 2 agree with me now,perhaps a few should go to specsavers,gutted.