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| Quote ="Standee"apologies, wasn't intentional
they were making massive losses at Gateshead, but let's not forget we almost ceased to exist as a club, they came in and propped us up at the Boulevard and worked damn hard to get to the KC, they have invested (admittedly not wisely, but they have tried), whilst we make a profit on the accounts I do not believe the club is actually solvent in any kind of self-sufficient way, they are investors, they are entitled to a return, as yet the accounts have not afforded them a dividend (the only return they can get without drawing a salary, and I doubt any of them need £70k a year that much). We've invested in Tansey, Turner and Westerman, fair to say that cost at least £150k then we also paid to get Obst, so there is another £30k (at least), also look at the contracts we have terminated etc.
I do not like the way we are being run, but I think we are being run by James and Kath and not the shareholders (in fact, I know at least two sharehlders are a little fed up with things)
but you make a valid observation, we should not be fighting amongst ourselves at this time, we will be here long after the shareholder/board/coach and players have moved on.
and for those saying we should be at full cap, if there isn't something on the shelf then you can't buy it.'"
Agreed...Lets hope the BOD see sense and bring in someone who can take us where we all want to be and that is the top of the tree.
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| The board are on a good wage
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"The board are on a good wage'"
you are confusing BOD to shareholders!
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| Quote ="Standee"you are confusing BOD to shareholders!'"
Yet again we have this, yes i know!!!!!
There are 2 on the board who are not shareholders, all of them are on a wage, shareholders or not
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"Yet again we have this, yes i know!!!!!
There are 2 on the board who are not shareholders, all of them are on a wage, shareholders or not'"
and you know the wages they are on?
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| Quote ="Standee"and you know the wages they are on?'"
I have a fair idea
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| Quote ="weaver93"Err No!! - Berrigan's annual salary paid the transfer fee for Westerman,
this explains why he was not replaced.'"
Where's your proof of that? Or did you just hear someone on here say it and decide that's what happened.
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"I have a fair idea'"
really, from your own assumptions, or have you seen their pay slips?
you don't have come out with some crap mate
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Where's your proof of that? Or did you just hear someone on here say it and decide that's what happened.'"
The available evidence and a bit of common sense says that we are spending a fair bit less on the cap this year than we were last year. Therefore why would you think that the club was reinvesting profits when it stands to reason that they are simply re-allocating funds that would normally be set aside for wages?
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| Quote ="Standee"really, from your own assumptions, or have you seen their pay slips?
you don't have come out with some crap mate'"
I dont need to justify what ive seen
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| Quote ="garry brindley"The available evidence and a bit of common sense says that we are spending a fair bit less on the cap this year than we were last year. Therefore why would you think that the club was reinvesting profits when it stands to reason that they are simply re-allocating funds that would normally be set aside for wages?'"
What evidence is this then? The club have told us that we aim to spend full cap and have told us that Westerman was paid for using profits. Rumour and speculation are obviously more credible than the spoken word and official statements in your opinion then?
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"I dont need to justify what ive seen'"
no, but you should justify widly innacurate accusations
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"What evidence is this then? The club have told us that we aim to spend full cap and have told us that Westerman was paid for using profits. Rumour and speculation are obviously more credible than the spoken word and official statements in your opinion then?'"
I'm not sure what the club telling us that we 'aim' to spend full cap has to do with whether we are actually spending it or not, you do the maths there's no way that we are spending to the cap this year. IIRC the comment about Westerman being paid for out of profits was before Berrigan left so I'm not sure what relevance it has now.
Oh, and when the offical statements are made by Jimmy 'Goebbels' Rule, then yes I think rumour and speculation are often more credible
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| this is just another (poor) rumours thread, people posting opinion and claiming it to be fact.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"I'm not sure what the club telling us that we 'aim' to spend full cap has to do with whether we are actually spending it or not, you do the maths there's no way that we are spending to the cap this year. IIRC the comment about Westerman being paid for out of profits was before Berrigan left so I'm not sure what relevance it has now.
Oh, and when the offical statements are made by Jimmy 'Goebbels' Rule, then yes I think rumour and speculation are often more credible
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We planned on spending full cap, Berrigan and Tansey have since left. We've brought in Obst and Phelps, while also paying a fee for Obst. I'm not denying there is probably cap space left, just that it won't be anywhere near the 150k reported that Westerman cost. There's also rumours that O'Meleys deal was back loaded, why not believe this one? Doesn't it suit your argument.
The Rule comment is just silly really.
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| Quote ="Standee"this is just another (poor) rumours thread, people posting opinion and claiming it to be fact.'"
Yup.
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| many many reasons so ill point to a minor one... using interchanges 2 minutes before half time.... oh and the boring rugby... too many reasons i reckon to actually type out.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Oh, and when the offical statements are made by Jimmy 'Goebbels' Rule, then yes I think rumour and speculation are often more credible
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I know you have some sort of personel grudge against Agar but now comparing James Rule to one of the architects of the holocaust may be taking things a little too far dont you think?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"We planned on spending full cap, Berrigan and Tansey have since left. We've brought in Obst and Phelps, while also paying a fee for Obst. I'm not denying there is probably cap space left, just that it won't be anywhere near the 150k reported that Westerman cost. There's also rumours that O'Meleys deal was back loaded, why not believe this one? Doesn't it suit your argument.
The Rule comment is just silly really.'"
I'm not making any argument mate, it's clear as day to me that we aren't spending anywhere near the cap this year, if you want to toe the official line and say that you think we are then that's fair enough. I just happen to think it's naive to think the board are selflessly re-investing the majority of the profit they make to better the squad.
The Rule comment was tongue in cheek as you well know, although he is the guy that's always saying what a top coach Rich Agar is and how he's definitely the man for the job etc... doesn't exactly help his credibility does it?
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| Quote ="Pookie"I know you have some sort of personel grudge against Agar but now comparing James Rule to one of the architects of the holocaust may be taking things a little too far dont you think?'"
Oh he were go . You're boring and you lack debating skills, so it's no fun talking to you. Learn from East Hull FC, I enjoy my jousts with him.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"I'm not making any argument mate, it's clear as day to me that we aren't spending anywhere near the cap this year, if you want to toe the official line and say that you think we are then that's fair enough. I just happen to think it's naive to think the board are selflessly re-investing the majority of the profit they make to better the squad.
The Rule comment was tongue in cheek as you well know, although he is the guy that's always saying what a top coach Rich Agar is and how he's definitely the man for the job etc... doesn't exactly help his credibility does it?
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I never said that I think we are spending full cap. I said that I don't believe we're under enough for your accusation to be true.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I never said that I think we are spending full cap. I said that I don't believe we're under enough for your accusation to be true.'"
Yer you might be right there, maybe we aren't saving enough to finance buying Westerman and Obst without dipping into some of the profits, not to the degree I thought you were implying though. It wasn't really an accusation anyway, the club said Westerman was being bought using profits before Berrigan and Tansey left so I always assumed that claim was null and void now.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Oh he were go
. You're boring and you lack debating skills, so it's no fun talking to you. Learn from East Hull FC, I enjoy my jousts with him.'"
Your "debating skills", of which you seem to have over a rather overemphasised belief in your own, seem to stretch no further than than having a rather over the top grudge against Richard Agar and his "accent" and how "thick" he is and comparing our chief exec to a Nazi. Based on that I will stick to my lack of said skills thanks.
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| Quote ="Pookie"Your "debating skills", of which you seem to have over a rather overemphasised belief in your own, seem to stretch no further than than having a rather over the top grudge against Richard Agar and his "accent" and how "thick" he is and comparing our chief exec to a Nazi. Based on that I will stick to my lack of said skills thanks.'"
You mean like last week when you were posting up the SL site penalty stats and using them to claim that our discipline was on a par with Wigan's? You even went so far as to claim that in the 2009 season we had the best discipline in the league. If you're not doing something as foolish as that you're just wittering on about injuries. I own you every time you attempt it mate, it's a waste of time for us both.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"You mean like last week when you were posting up the SL site penalty stats and using them to claim that our discipline was on a par with Wigan's? You even went so far as to claim that in the 2009 season we had the best discipline in the league. If you're not doing something as foolish as that you're just wittering on about injuries. I own you every time you attempt it mate, it's a waste of time for us both.'"
Indeed I did claim that in 2009 we had the best discipline (as far as penatlies went) in the league after your statement that under Agar we had no discipline.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club.php?season=2009&stat=penalties&hs1=2011&hp1=350&hs2=2011&hp2=150[/url
As you say a nice bit of "ownership" on your part. But as I said then dont let your rather worrying obsession with Rich Agar get in the way of facts.
And unless you re-write history Agar has had more than his fare share of injuries under his regime. But as I said at the very beginning I would give Agar 8 or 9 games this season to "turn things round" with a full squad. Sadly at the moment I dosent looks like he will. But if and when he goes my thoughts wont be based on his accent or how "thick" he is.
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