[quote="Jake the Peg":35bhlw45]You hope, not think[/quote:35bhlw45] if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs

[quote="Theeaststander1":3tdr6zaf]“at this stage no changes have been made to salary cap regulations, but further proposals may be considered." if i was to have a bet, i dont think for one second this will pull salford out the 700k hole if they dont give dispensations to the clubs the players will just walk to save themselves i think the RFL will override the 'vote' and put the dispensations in to save a club with it being 3 weeks till the seasons starts[/quote:3tdr6zaf] Override the vote allow the dispensations and save Salford (for now) and ruin the integrity of the competition. Rock and hard place.

[quote="Theeaststander1":1f6ao2tp]if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....[quote:1f6ao2tp]he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever [/quote:1f6ao2tp] i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs[/quote:1f6ao2tp] If's that's the case why do Rovers want to sign him. Purely to help save Salford of course.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":1ofb23t2]If's that's the case why do Rovers want to sign him. Purely to help save Salford of course.[/quote:1ofb23t2] we wanted him purely because on his day hes a top centre, nobody implied for a second that we want to save a club, but the RFL will have worries more than most as it will burn another bridge with sky etc like you say rock and a hard place salford players will be ringing their agents taking any offer they can, its all gonna end worse for everyone if the RFL dont make some drastic choices

[quote="Theeaststander1":31kswwzk]we wanted him purely because on his day hes a top centre, nobody implied for a second that we want to save a club, but the RFL will have worries more than most as it will burn another bridge with sky etc like you say rock and a hard place salford players will be ringing their agents taking any offer they can, its all gonna end worse for everyone if the RFL dont make some drastic choices[/quote:31kswwzk] Sad to say that even with a fire sale I cannot see how it will save Salford. At best a stay of execution. Unless they find a backer asap I cannot see them continuing which will be terrible for the game.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":2kzn9ki6]Sad to say that even with a fire sale I cannot see how it will save Salford. At best a stay of execution. Unless they find a backer asap I cannot see them continuing which will be terrible for the game.[/quote:2kzn9ki6] 100% agree they aint getting close to 700k players wont care about the offers being put for transfer fees, theyll just want out sneyd may get a bit of a bidding war between yourselves and leigh but that is gonna cover lets say 100k , going off the ackers/croft transfers cross/olmonroyd will most likely be happy just to get a deal elsewhere wakey have the pick of jayden n / nene / stone / lewis who do they take, but again they wont offer silly money as if they wanted too, they could just give it 3 weeks and get them for free

[quote="Theeaststander1":ht912c5x]if youre referring to nene we have 3 great centres all capable....he would be brilliant but not needed whatsoever i think the genuine conversation that needs to be addressed now is we are about to have an 11 team league, which will put a lot of strain on clubs[/quote:ht912c5x] Salford would be uncompetitive with a decimated squad anyway. The only person wringing his hands is you as you see that glimmer of hope disappear

Agree with a lot of the above however, I think if there was the slightest chance of a take over or anyone buying into the Salford club in the short or even medium term the clubs would have perhaps held off and granted them more time and perhaps even helped them out, but I guess therefore by their strong actions after a short meeting that's not the case and its unlikely to happen. Perhaps even they see Salford as a lost cause!!! The clubs always think about themselves but the fact that they ruled, in the first instance, against a free for all and rather restricted deals for their players to clubs with cap space left, indicates that they perhaps feel betrayed buy the lack of openness of Salford and now their main concern is for the competition, their television commitments and the fixture list being intact and honoured by all 12 clubs. With the caveat included about further changes ie cap expansions etc. being an option points to the fact that getting the £700,000 one way or another is an imperative. As I said previously the whole fully professional game is on the edge here and we have to find a way of resolving things, before the dominoes start to fall and other clubs are impacted. I wonder how many more clubs can sustain the losses they are posting for much longer. I think had Salford come clean at the end of last season when they obviously knew what was to unfold then we would have seen perhaps Toulouse in, in their place, but they have kept their problems under wraps so that now despite their losing players the Super League Clubs have no option but to keep them in the competition for another year. As I say I don't think Salford have been as honest as they could have been. The fact that there are reports in the media that since last Friday the players have been in Portugal on a warm weather training camp is quite frankly mind boggling. You have to feel for the Salford fans don't you they must wonder what the hell is to become of their beloved club. As always they are the innocent ones in all this and will feel quite helpless particularly after all the pledges and whip rounds they have put into the club over the last few years.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":1y5rehfn]Override the vote allow the dispensations and save Salford (for now) and ruin the integrity of the competition. Rock and hard place.[/quote:1y5rehfn] Exactly. A club with no money or a club with no team - neither works. The only thing that’d help is new investment. I think it is probably the best of the bad available options to let nature take its course. Remembering what ‘help’ did to Bradford, for example. If the worst happens they’ll likely do something similar to when Crusaders went under.

I’d have thought that if Salford lost their 4-5 top earners, that would easily cover the £700k cost reduction. Of a player’s base salary is £100k, then by the time you add in NI, car and house allowances (these are allowable outside the cap), then you are looking at nearer £140-150k. Therefore, it may be that they let 7-8 top earners go and bring in some cheaper replacements or loans. It will make Salford much weaker, but hopefully gives them time to get a new buyer.

[quote="Rugby Raider":4cagbdd4]I’d have thought that if Salford lost their 4-5 top earners, that would easily cover the £700k cost reduction. Of a player’s base salary is £100k, then by the time you add in NI, car and house allowances (these are allowable outside the cap), then you are looking at nearer £140-150k. Therefore, it may be that they let 7-8 top earners go and bring in some cheaper replacements or loans. It will make Salford much weaker, but hopefully gives them time to get a new buyer.[/quote:4cagbdd4] They need 700k asap as reported, not overtime, hence why the fire sale in imminent

Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd

all this fighting over McDonald and other overseas Salford players, nobody considered they maybe asked to be released from their contracts to return back to Oz for the 2025 season, then be open to sign for clubs next season (if they already haven't)

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":nzhy1fdr]Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd[/quote:nzhy1fdr] I can imagine that moving to a club in financial difficulties may not be hugely appealing to Lane, Fash and Sao.

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":14awi0a7]Surely we offer Lane Fash Sao for a player swap ! We get McDonald then as Sao disappears and the above 4 wages aren’t that much compared to McDonald We need a CENTRE and a Stand Off Not a 35 year old scrum half in Sneyd[/quote:14awi0a7] What would be in it for the players? I can’t see any players from any SL club wanting a swap as who’d want to risk not getting paid but especially 3 players based or settled in Hull. Also I know it was last season but Macdonald was there the Sky research had Salford’s wage bill down as ridiculously low, only just higher then part time London. Swap deals with established SL players won’t likely work for Salfords financial situation because the players coming in likely wouldn’t be far off what they pay ‘stars’ like Macdonald anyway.

[quote="Mild Rover":1c10cgjh]I can imagine that moving to a club in financial difficulties may not be hugely appealing to Lane, Fash and Sao.[/quote:1c10cgjh] Exactly some fans think it easy, click your fingers and you can get rid of players and replace them.

I don’t think it’s easy to offload players It’s an idea - a suggestion - a hint at some of the baggage we’re still carrying The truth is that some swap deals would interest Salford - they will still need full time professionals albeit on lower salaries Let’s see what happens but fwiw I’d love to see us replace Lane Fash and Sao, and the sooner the better

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":1cx6b8is]I don’t think it’s easy to offload players It’s an idea - a suggestion - a hint at some of the baggage we’re still carrying The truth is that some swap deals would interest Salford - they will still need full time professionals albeit on lower salaries Let’s see what happens but fwiw I’d love to see us replace Lane Fash and Sao, and the sooner the better[/quote:1cx6b8is] I can't see lane or fash leaving. I'm pretty sure they'll get new deals. Sao will come off the quota for 2026 so depends what kind of season he has but he's our 2nd best prop IMO, just needs to sort out his discipline which should be better if he and the rest of the team are fitter anyway. Also will be played solely at prop hopefully as he's not mobile enough for 2nd row

[quote="Jake the Peg":gwaagr3a]I can't see lane or fash leaving. I'm pretty sure they'll get new deals. Sao will come off the quota for 2026 so depends what kind of season he has but he's our 2nd best prop IMO, just needs to sort out his discipline which should be better if he and the rest of the team are fitter anyway. Also will be played solely at prop hopefully as he's not mobile enough for 2nd row[/quote:gwaagr3a] I'm hoping that under Cartwright we see an improved version of Sao this season. On his day he can be a very good player. He just needs to focus on running straight and hard and not looking for an offload every single tackle. But mainly get his discipline sorted. I got the feeling last year a lot of his poor discipline and errors where through frustration over the teams poor displays (which yes, will be argued his errors and penalty's were contributing to). I think he was just trying to force plays or Big hits a bit too much to swing momentum or get something going. Like everything with the team last year, it just wasn't coming off. Big year coming up for him if he wants to earn a new deal, either at Hull or elsewhere. I'm also willing to give Lane another year before totally giving up in him. There's a player in there and if Cartwright has improved fitness and conditioning he will be one of the lads to see a big benefit.

[quote="Hasbag":4sb34qkx][quote="Jake the Peg":4sb34qkx]I can't see lane or fash leaving. I'm pretty sure they'll get new deals. Sao will come off the quota for 2026 so depends what kind of season he has but he's our 2nd best prop IMO, just needs to sort out his discipline which should be better if he and the rest of the team are fitter anyway. Also will be played solely at prop hopefully as he's not mobile enough for 2nd row[/quote:4sb34qkx] I'm hoping that under Cartwright we see an improved version of Sao this season. On his day he can be a very good player. He just needs to focus on running straight and hard and not looking for an offload every single tackle. But mainly get his discipline sorted. I got the feeling last year a lot of his poor discipline and errors where through frustration over the teams poor displays (which yes, will be argued his errors and penalty's were contributing to). I think he was just trying to force plays or Big hits a bit too much to swing momentum or get something going. Like everything with the team last year, it just wasn't coming off. Big year coming up for him if he wants to earn a new deal, either at Hull or elsewhere. I'm also willing to give Lane another year before totally giving up in him. There's a player in there and if Cartwright has improved fitness and conditioning he will be one of the lads to see a big benefit.[/quote:4sb34qkx] Agree, for me every players that still here for 2025 gets a clean slate and a chance to prove themselves and rightly earn any further deals. The fall out of not just last season but the previous seasons and articles that we have seen this off season about how unprofessional and understaffed things where before takeover has without doubt been a big contributor to what we saw play out on the field. Under a Head Coach that is disciplined and structured in his messages and the whole set up given a root and branch overhaul then its suggests that improvements will be made. Its now up to those players to show that they are not poor players without the frustrations.

Could we just not pay Sao off if we wanted a quota player?

[quote="dandaman":29iyc0c1]Could we just not pay Sao off if we wanted a quota player?[/quote:29iyc0c1] It's a very dangerous game to just keep paying players off. We need to be careful or players won't want to come or think it's an easy ride, sign a 3 year deal don't perform and get a nice pay off. Some players we had no choice, no sure Sao warrants it, as Jake says he is a decent prop on his day. Like been mentioned above, everyone gets a clean slate, off the field has a total shambles last year.

Will we still be looking for another prop? Gone very quiet on that front

[quote="Hullfc-white":3nedidnn]Will we still be looking for another prop? Gone very quiet on that front[/quote:3nedidnn] I'd expect a mid-season signing on the Prop front, unless we try to get Bullock from Salford. I imagine getting Cross and possibly Sneyd over the line will be the current priority.

[quote="dandaman":245w2xw7]Could we just not pay Sao off if we wanted a quota player?[/quote:245w2xw7] If there is a lack of available domestic players for 2026, i can see quota players who immediately become off~quota, be in high demand.