Exactly.

leeds (who won back to back to back) titles with the highest penalty count during one of those seasons

Have a look at Mark Percival's tackle on , I think , Ryan Hampshire. It's at 21.37 on the Beeb's Super League show. There was no penalty on the field. There was a tackle by Percival referred by the match review panel , ON 483/17 on the RFL Disciplinary section although that one shows the victim to be Higson and looks to be later than the incident I'm referring to and it implies a penalty was given. There was no charge for the one referred although it was accepted that the player made contact with the jaw and a penalty was sufficient. The referee and linesmen must have missed the first one but what's the excuse for the match review panel? It was a swinging arm which made contact with the head. Percival scored a try and made another possibly during a time when he should have been in the bin or , using the Watts case logic , he should have been red carded. Looks to me like the only difference is that Hampshire wasn't injured and didn't make a fuss but Percival looks to have had two incidents in one game and received no charge and only one penalty. His disciplinary record and that of Saints are effectively unaffected. Yes we've got to be smarter but under this regime it's a lottery.

We are a very aggressive, physical team, and when you tread the line like that you are always going to concede a fair amount of penalties. It comes with the territory. I dont have stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure sucessful teams of the past have never conceded the fewest penalties. If we had the choice between conceding less penalties and being the most aggressive, intimidating team in the league I would choose the latter, every time. Maybe if the likes of Wire and Saints were a bit more willing to get their hands dirty they might be a bit further up the table. What I dont want to see however is players stepping over the line like Manu last week, thats indefensible.

Good post

Manu suspended for 2 games.

Although this is going back a few year, circa 2000-2003 ish, When Mal Reilly was coach of Huddersfield, he drilled the players into making as few errors as possible. Such was Mal's standing in the game (and that his was still a fairly handy lad) The Hudds players rarely threw the ball about in fear of getting on Reilly's bad side.

Hudds finished the season with the fewest handling errors and bottom of the league!.

Similar situation.

Thats a decent results for us given that he was due to miss at least one and could have been jet lagged for the other

With a bit of luck should only miss the Widnes game but he has gone to Australia so depending on when he comes back could still be a bit jet lagged.

... he didn't travel to Australia.

yes he did

According to the club site he was withdrawn from the Tonga squad, and attended the hearing at Leeds today, so has obviously not travelled abroad.

Radford has confirmed on the radio he is in Australia

Isn't he injured anyway?

Talking about discipline, I was talking to the master of it last Friday on Withernsea promenade.
No other than Mr Mick Crane, working for Halls doing some sea defence work on the beach.
Still puffing away on the fags, still the man.

Interesting the views people who defended our discipline as it's played a major part in our last two defeats

we will loose Watts for a couple of games at least and Griffin for a couple too for pushing Childs (which won't upset some who sit near me) so discipline is getting to be a big problem

Really, really frustrating.

Watts in particular should be pushing for a spot on the plane to the WC at the end of the year, I think he can be that good, but there's no way he'll be taken when his discipline is as poor as it is.

It's not just the incidents he's been charged with and copped bans for, but it's the giving away of needless penalties at crucial times or crucial areas of the field.

His name is CHILD child child ! Not child's as in the Brummy footy commentator shall we refer to watt's as watt from now on

We must be the dumbest team in the league . Our discipline is terrible .

Never been that bothered how he spells his name perhaps when your English is perfect ie Brummy or Footy then you can correct mine

His name is Adrian Chiles.

I've been saying that all season, stupid penalties killing us game after game.

It's worse than that because they usually follow an error so we go from attacking to defending our line in a few seconds. les cats had no chance of scoring last night if we played out our sets and kicked well

Watts gets Grade A charge, NFA-1 match. (Careless – flat hand off balance)

Griffin Grade B, 1-2 matches.