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| Quote ="mrs cindy russell"I like both, but Whiting is the one I'd have in first, his thought train is far superior to Washies and you have only to see how fast his reaction is when remembering how he snaffled the try at the CC.I want to see all our team learning to react that fast so we can do justice to the training. No falling asleep for a couple of secs. ......result knock on.......come on you Hull, lets see you repay us this season with some cracking games....grannyfan Cindy'"
To be fair, that was a shockingly bad pass by Bai rather than Whiting's brilliant anticipation. I'd like to think any of our players would have read that one. I was at the other end and saw it coming!!
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| Quote ="Action Man"To be fair, that was a shockingly bad pass by Bai rather than Whiting's brilliant anticipation. I'd like to think any of our players would have read that one. I was at the other end and saw it coming!!'"
so did whiting
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| Quote ="wolfie"so did whiting
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Not knocking him by the way, just not the best example to choose.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Surely the amount of advice to Agar and co. from fans 'getting to a grand final' would have seen you in the last 3 from 2006.
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Not at all just that Leeds and Saints fans give better advice.
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| Quote ="Action Man"To be fair, that was a shockingly bad pass by Bai rather than Whiting's brilliant anticipation. I'd like to think any of our players would have read that one. I was at the other end and saw it coming!!'"
I was at the same ends as you and could see bugger-all.
With eyesight like yours, it's a wonder we wasted so much on the Hubble telescope
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I was at the same ends as you and could see bugger-all.
With eyesight like yours, it's a wonder we wasted so much on the Hubble telescope'"
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Washy must play 13. Shame but the likes of Whiting and Turner will only play next season when we have injuries.'"
I disagree, Whiting has far more talent as a rugby player than Washbrook could ever hope to have. Washbrook has a step and a dummy which ends in him running back into troubleand sod all else . He's very average.
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| Quote ="El Chupacabra"I disagree, Whiting has far more talent as a rugby player than Washbrook could ever hope to have. Washbrook has a step and a dummy which ends in him running back into troubleand sod all else . He's very average.'"
Whiting has that thing most lacking in our team of late - a brain!
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I was at the same ends as you and could see bugger-all.
With eyesight like yours, it's a wonder we wasted so much on the Hubble telescope'"
Are you schizophrenic? Or a ref?
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| Quote ="El Chupacabra"I disagree, Whiting has far more talent as a rugby player than Washbrook could ever hope to have. Washbrook has a step and a dummy which ends in him running back into troubleand sod all else . He's very average.'"
Far from average, but im not going to get back into the Washy v Whiting debate again. Simple fact is, Whiting is behind Washy in the pecking order and as i said, will be lucky to play unless we get injuries. (thats not me saying i dont rate Whiting, its just locigcally he doesnt fit into the 17 with the other players we have)
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Far from average, but im not going to get back into the Washy v Whiting debate again. Simple fact is, Whiting is behind Washy in the pecking order and as i said, will be lucky to play unless we get injuries. (thats not me saying i dont rate Whiting, its just locigcally he doesnt fit into the 17 with the other players we have)'"
I see Washy in a similar situation to Rich Horne. Due to injury or playing out of position or whatever he hasn't exactly been pulling up trees in his performances in the last 12-18 months and it's the likes of him and Horne who need to start making things happen on the pitch and playing to the level that many people claim they are at.
Agree at this stage that he will be chosen ahead of Whiting.
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| I fail to see how, when we've struggled so badly for players with brains over the past few years, the player with the best RL brain at the club (Long aside) wouldn't get in the 17 if some people had their way.
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| [url=http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/index.htmlHe'll be needing this[/url
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| Quote ="Standee"[url=http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/index.htmlHe'll be needing this[/url'"
Who will?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"icon_confused.gif
Who will?'"
Agar, after about 6 games.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"icon_confused.gif
Who will?'" clue is in the topic title
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| Quote ="Holty"clue is in the topic title
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Well, yes, but the topic had drifted somewhat since then. I couldn't work out whether he meant Whiting, Washbrook, Agar or Big Dave T.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I fail to see how, when we've struggled so badly for players with brains over the past few years, the player with the best RL brain at the club (Long aside) wouldn't get in the 17 if some people had their way.'"
All this talk of Whitings brain, is he really the only player to have one? Are Whiting fans honestly saying that Washy doesnt have a brain for example?
I'd take Washy every day of the week for 13. He has a far better defensive workrate, better running game, better passing game and his kicking game aint bad either.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"All this talk of Whitings brain, is he really the only player to have one? Are Whiting fans honestly saying that Washy doesnt have a brain for example?
I'd take Washy every day of the week for 13. He has a far better defensive workrate, better running game, better passing game and his kicking game aint bad either.'"
Some of us are fans of both players.
Of course Washy has a brain but IMO Whiting reads the game better. However other aspects of Washy's game are better than Whiting.
If only we could combine their best qualities into one player we'd have a real star.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"Some of us are fans of both players.
Of course Washy has a brain but IMO Whiting reads the game better. However other aspects of Washy's game are better than Whiting.
If only we could combine their best qualities into one player we'd have a real star.
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Spot on, and I'd be happy with either at 13 although IMO this is a big season for Washy to claim the shirt permanently.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Spot on, and I'd be happy with either at 13 although IMO this is a big season for Washy to claim the shirt permanently.'" Going to be hard to do that spelling fitz!
Should be 13 with fitz at prop through the middle. 2 workhorse props - Fitz and cusack, 2 go forward props - o'meley and Moa.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"All this talk of Whitings brain, is he really the only player to have one? Are Whiting fans honestly saying that Washy doesnt have a brain for example? '"
No. Washy does have one, it's just not as sharp as Whiting's.
Quote ="Big Dave T"I'd take Washy every day of the week for 13. He has a far better defensive workrate, '"
How do you know when Whiting hasn't had chance to play in that position?
Quote ="Big Dave T"better running game, '"
Yes.
Quote ="Big Dave T"better passing game '"
No.
Quote ="Big Dave T"and his kicking game aint bad either.'"
Not bad close to the line, but then, neither is Whiting's.
We are comparing two very different players. To my mind, Washy is a second rower - similar to Wilkin - and Whiting is a creative, ball playing loose, the extra pivot we've been missing. It depends what you want from a 13, I suppose. If you want an extra second rower at 13, then, I'd agree, Washy is probably a better option.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"All this talk of Whitings brain, is he really the only player to have one? Are Whiting fans honestly saying that Washy doesnt have a brain for example?
I'd take Washy every day of the week for 13. He has a far better defensive workrate, better running game, better passing game and his kicking game aint bad either.'"
It's a no brainer for me, Washy should play 13. I liken him to Sinfield at a similar age. He does have the ability to out in the workrate but is also a clever player and has good hands and a decent kicking game. He is also a leader amongst some of the younger players and imo is captaincy material.
Whiting should have had a go in that position last season but the problem I have with him there is whether or not he could cope with the amount of work he would have to put in. Personally I think it would be tough for him.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"It's a no brainer for me, Washy should play 13. I liken him to Sinfield at a similar age. He does have the ability to out in the workrate but is also a clever player and has good hands and a decent kicking game. He is also a leader amongst some of the younger players and imo is captaincy material.
Whiting should have had a go in that position last season but the problem I have with him there is whether or not he could cope with the amount of work he would have to put in. Personally I think it would be tough for him.'"
I hope very much he goes on to be as good as Sinfield and I can see the parallels you draw there. Has much work to do to achieve that with top performances on the field next season being a must.
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