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| Well, under the previous regime Green, Bowden, Shaul, Lineham and Crooks wouldn't have played a single game. We'd have loaned players from Leeds.
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| still in the playoffs and appeared in the Wembley CC final, am sure fans of a lot of other clubs would live with that "disappointment"
I think some people need a reality check
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| Quote ="mikey471"Well, under the previous regime Green, Bowden, Shaul, Lineham and Crooks wouldn't have played a single game. We'd have loaned players from Leeds.'"
and I completely agree with that, but in the cold light of day we still aren't winning any more games than when we bused in loanees from Leeds are we?
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| Quote ="Standee"still in the playoffs and appeared in the Wembley CC final, am sure fans of a lot of other clubs would live with that "disappointment"
I think some people need a reality check'"
even the much maligned Agar got us to a CC final, and we didn't play as woefullyin 2008 as we did on Saturday.
and getting to the playoffs is all good and well if you're actually going to do something when we get there, the fact is most important games we flop spectacularly, and the only hope we have is frustrating teams with our defence and keeping the score down because our attack is so inept.
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| Quote ="Standee"You can't "play devils advocate" and ask such loaded questions, if people don't want to believe/admit that AP has done masses for FC it's up to them, I can see just what he's changed at the club, and it's massive.'"
Yet no one can actually come up with any specifics or figures to back up these claims, or can they?
I'm aware we've moved our set up from Brantingham/Gordon Street to YPI and Bishop Burton. However these venues already existed, so what specific investment has the club made in them is surely a fair question to those that claim significant money has been made in our infrastructure.
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| Quote ="UllFC"and I completely agree with that, but in the cold light of day we still aren't winning any more games than when we bused in loanees from Leeds are we?'"
True, but these players are gaining experience and Hull FC will benefit from the experience these young guys are getting, another season or so and these players will undoubtedly get even better which will be great of us. Previously the only beneficiaries were Leeds.
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| Quote ="UllFC"even the much maligned Agar got us to a CC final, and we didn't play as woefullyin 2008 as we did on Saturday.
and getting to the playoffs is all good and well if you're actually going to do something when we get there, the fact is most important games we flop spectacularly, and the only hope we have is frustrating teams with our defence and keeping the score down because our attack is so inept.'"
To be fair that was Peter Sharp's team. Agar hadn't had much chance to destroy it at that time.
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| none so blind as those that refuse to see
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| Quote ="Standee"none so blind as those that refuse to see'"
Nobody is refusing to see. Just asking what appears to be reasonable questions that some (those that claim investment has been made) are finding difficult to answer! after all this is what a forum is for surely.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Nobody is refusing to see. Just asking what appears to be reasonable questions that some (those that claim investment has been made) are finding difficult to answer! after all this is what a forum is for surely.'"
And I suppose the opposite Devils Advocate question would be how can you prove no invest has been made?
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| Quote ="Standee"still in the playoffs and appeared in the Wembley CC final, am sure fans of a lot of other clubs would live with that "disappointment"
I think some people need a reality check'"
True, but if we finish eighth is that acceptable? Reaching the Challenge Cup final was an achievement but it can't totally gloss over a poor league season.
We may have taken at least a point off everyone but Huddersfield and Wigan but we've also dropped at least a point to everyone apart from Salford. Too many unacceptable results this season: Rovers and Wakefield at home, Widnes, London, Cas, Catalans, Bradford away.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Nobody is refusing to see. Just asking what appears to be reasonable questions that some (those that claim investment has been made) are finding difficult to answer! after all this is what a forum is for surely.'"
I'm not finding anything "difficult to answer", I believe the investment has happened, but as a private individual AP doesn't have to let us know exactly what he has, or indeed hasn't, invested.
IF people believe we are no better off under AP than Kath and Rule then fair enough, I think we are miles better off. Are we where I want to be, no, I never rated Holdsworth but, from what we are told, we went all out for Chase and it didn't come off, Lynch has had an awful season, Briscoe looks disinterested, is that Gentle's fault, I am not sure.....
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| Quote ="mikey471"And I suppose the opposite Devils Advocate question would be how can you prove no invest has been made?'"
You're spot on fella I can't but surely that's not the point. People continually claim that significant investment has been made, which was lacking during the previous regime's tenure. But no one can actually come up with any specifics other that saying Bishop Burton. Now I've been to the venue to watch a few games and it's a very nice set up, however I don't know what the club has really done there.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Yet no one can actually come up with any specifics or figures to back up these claims, or can they?'"
Money details will never be made public. Have you ever looked at the club website?
These [url=http://www.hullfc.com/article/30072/hull-academy-setup-amongst-the-best-in-the-countrytwo[/url [url=http://www.hullfc.com/newsarticle.aspx?n=19349articles[/url picked at random look pretty impressive to me.
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| Quote ="Standee"I'm not finding anything "difficult to answer", I believe the investment has happened, but as a private individual AP doesn't have to let us know exactly what he has, or indeed hasn't, invested.
IF people believe we are no better off under AP than Kath and Rule then fair enough, I think we are miles better off. Are we where I want to be, no, I never rated Holdsworth but, from what we are told, we went all out for Chase and it didn't come off, Lynch has had an awful season, Briscoe looks disinterested, is that Gentle's fault, I am not sure.....'" #
Look the questions are not just being aimed at you I'm asking them in general to anyone who gives a stuff about this sort of thing. It's clear you do as do I and you're correct we are better off with AP than Uncle Kath. However the one thing I will never do is to stop asking questions of those who run the club we all love.
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| Quote ="Standee"I'm not finding anything "difficult to answer", I believe the investment has happened, but as a private individual AP doesn't have to let us know exactly what he has, or indeed hasn't, invested.
IF people believe we are no better off under AP than Kath and Rule then fair enough, I think we are miles better off. Are we where I want to be, no, I never rated Holdsworth but, from what we are told, we went all out for Chase and it didn't come off, Lynch has had an awful season, Briscoe looks disinterested, is that Gentle's fault, I am not sure.....'"
I'd much Gentle and Pearson in charge...but as i've already said, all this investment isn't delivering as yet and there's little sign of things changing soon.
On the other points: Gentle stripped Lynch of the captaincy, which may have affected his morale. If that isn't the case, and his loss of form has been due to getting old...then you have to question why the club extended his deal so early in to his contract.
With Briscoe it is the coaches job to motivate his side, if Gentle coulden't do that he should have been dropped for Crookes months ago.
I think Holdsworth is average, but the best we could get at the time, and to be fair to the club there is a massive lack of quality half-backs in Super League which is a wider issue for the game as a whole.
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| I think Wembley came a year early in the plans, AP is no fool and he knows as anyone with any sense knows it takes a few years to get a squad sorted. The basis of the present team has a far splattering of the old guard and whilst some will be reatined others will and should be moved on.
Saturday should be seen as a bonus both to the club coffers and by us, some may argue that we could have done better given the resources we have now. In the Kath years we where promised jam tomorrow far too many times, fans have run out of patience after such a short time thats the Kath/Agar legacy.
Remind me how many years did Agar have ?
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| Quote ="Smiggs"You're spot on fella I can't but surely that's not the point. People continually claim that significant investment has been made, which was lacking during the previous regime's tenure. But no one can actually come up with any specifics other that saying Bishop Burton. Now I've been to the venue to watch a few games and it's a very nice set up, however I don't know what the club has really done there.'"
If you talk to any of the players or parents of players in the youth set up, they will tell you how much AP has invested. It's not the sort of thing most people would notice, but will payoff a few years down the line
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| spot on ian, rome wasnt built in a day, think some need to realise its a long term haul not a sprint, saying that we could do with a couple of good signings just to cheer us up a bit
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| Quote ="hull2524"spot on ian, rome wasnt built in a day, think some need to realise its a long term haul not a sprint, saying that we could do with a couple of good signings just to cheer us up a bit'"
Perhaps at the same stage now as Hudds were a few years back when they made a final and underperformed? It's taken a while but I don't think many would argue that they're semi-serious challengers at the very least now.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Perhaps at the same stage now as Hudds were a few years back when they made a final and underperformed? It's taken a while but I don't think many would argue that they're semi-serious challengers at the very least now.'"
That was 7 years ago. I hope we don't have to wait that long
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| think how sweet its gonna be when we win at wembley lol
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| No one can question pearson's commitment and we lost £1/2m last season based on additional investment. Having said that, I'm sure we haven't made the progress he expected on the pitch and if we hadn't made Wembley I think he would have sacked gentle
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"No one can question pearson's commitment and we lost £1/2m last season based on additional investment. Having said that, I'm sure we haven't made the progress he expected on the pitch and if we hadn't made Wembley I think he would have sacked gentle'"
I think he still might.
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| Speaking to a Wigan fan on Saturday night who claimed to be a pal of Paul Johnson. He told me Johnson is leaving as is Gentle. I personally do not think the first team has made much progress and the loss of Briscoe, O'Meley, Tickle, Gale and Lynch will strip the side of most of the experience and will be hard to replace.
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