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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"whilst DD is a disgracefully selfish act sacking him isn't so easy an option as people might think especially given it's away from his 'workplace' and in his own time. Of course it could be classed as bringing the club into disrepute but might not in itself automatically be classed as gross misconduct with grounds for summary dismissal. Of course drink related misdemeanours can be specified in a contract of employment enough that are grounds for such but I doubt the club would have that in players contracts.
Given the incidences of players getting tanked up and stepping out of line (in whatever way that manifests itself) within RL circles and the bad impression/socially irresponsible behaviour that portrays especially with regard to children following the club/player involved maybe it's time clubs took a hard line and state drink related offences that end up with criminal proceedings (& found guilty) ARE gross misconduct and subject to summary dismissal after accruing all the facts and following proper procedure.'"
I agree wholly. However in the case of Bowden etc they have all been in court and found guilty so employers can discipline them.
I wouldn't necessarily promote sacking but some level of discipline is required not deafening silence.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"I don't disagree with you about drink driving either but before you suggest excessive drinking is solely a Hull FC problem you should have a word with Maurice Blair about the effects the mind altering chemical had on his behaviour last Saturday night.'"
Oh dear.
Has he been in court and are you comparing getting drunk to getting drunk and driving a car?
I think you've missed the point.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Ridiculous? How do measure the problem then. If an organisation has 30 employees (players) and one is CONVICTED in court almost yearly for the past five plus years then is that serious.....if not could you explain at what stage does it become serious.
Don't let your blind support affect your morals will you.....'"
If you think Scott Taylor's second season at Wigan was injury ridden and he was shipped out to Leigh, then you are an idiot. If you think Hull FC have a "serious problem" with players drink driving then you are an idiot. Please list the last half dozen Hull FC players convicted of drink driving.
You are using this as a point scoring exercise against Hull which makes you a pathetic troll.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"If you think Scott Taylor's second season at Wigan was injury ridden and he was shipped out to Leigh, then you are an idiot. If you think Hull FC have a "serious problem" with players drink driving then you are an idiot. Please list the last half dozen Hull FC players convicted of drink driving.
You are using this as a point scoring exercise against Hull which makes you a pathetic troll.'"
I think he was inferring it is a problem from the very top down, not just the players
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| Quote ="Keith_Lard"I think he was inferring it is a problem from the very top down, not just the players'"
We all know about Pearson. Can list the last half dozen?
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| Quote ="Keith_Lard"I think he was inferring it is a problem from the very top down, not just the players'"
And Hudgell's record as a driver? This from someone whose grubby line of business leeches off road traffic accidents and alleged threats to public safety?
As I said before its a matter for the courts to decide as far as players are concerned - providing their ability to fulfill their contractual obligations isn't affected then the clubs don't need to put in extra punishment.
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| The familiar lessons of this are...
1. Don't drink and drive
2. If you're not old enough to drive yet, even sober, remember that being a professional RL player provides a young man with an opportunity to be a role model, but it isn't in of itself a qualification. If you have a family member, or neighbour or teacher who is polite, kind, law-abiding and has a sensible work ethic, they could be a role model - even if they've no talent for rugby.
Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"We all know about Pearson. Can list the last half dozen?'"
Oh, now you've turned it into a game, curse you.
So, Bowden and Talanoa obviously. Was Seymour charged? Raynor, although that is going back a bit, before he really got on a roll. Did you have five or were you leaving a bigger margin of safety?
Panes in our glass house include Paul Cooke getting a 16-month driving ban while with us in 2008. Watts wasn't charged following the incident that led to the binning and eventual bizarre buy back Ben Cockayne.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Oh dear.
Has he been in court and are you comparing getting drunk to getting drunk and driving a car?
I think you've missed the point.'"
If you read my post again you may understand it was not just that Bllair was drunk, but his behaviour when he was drunk.
I'm not condoning Bowden in any way, just responding to your implication that there is a drinking problem at Hull but not at Rovers.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The familiar lessons of this are...
1. Don't drink and drive
2. If you're not old enough to drive yet, even sober, remember that being a professional RL player provides a young man with an opportunity to be a role model, but it isn't in of itself a qualification. If you have a family member, or neighbour or teacher who is polite, kind, law-abiding and has a sensible work ethic, they could be a role model - even if they've no talent for rugby.
Oh, now you've turned it into a game, curse you.
So, Bowden and Talanoa obviously. Was Seymour charged? Raynor, although that is going back a bit, before he really got on a roll. Did you have five or were you leaving a bigger margin of safety?
Panes in our glass house include Paul Cooke getting a 16-month driving ban while with us in 2008. Watts wasn't charged following the incident that led to the binning and eventual bizarre buy back Ben Cockayne.'"
I'd have taken four, although Seymour was almost three years ago and Raynor I lost track.
Anyway, it's not a game to me but BE was clearly playing silly gets.
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| young men, rugby and beer an ideal set that leads to ridiculous levels of bravado, egging each other on and displays of machismo. clubs that don't have strict drinking policies in place are in effect turning a blind eye to the facts that rugby players are more likely to have or be involved in drink related issues than the general populous.
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| Bowden is a young guy and he'll learn from this, not trying to stick up for him and for what he did really but sacking him would be stupid, maybe removing his license for more than 20 months would be better and sending him to a few meetings would be a better option.
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| Quote ="BrianGriffin"Bowden is a young guy and he'll learn from this, not trying to stick up for him and for what he did really but sacking him would be stupid, maybe removing his license for more than 20 months would be better and sending him to a few meetings would be a better option.'"
Best post yet and tbh,it's only 1 poster who wants him sacked as he has a massive hard on for us ATM,
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| Quote ="BrianGriffin"Bowden is a young guy and he'll learn from this, not trying to stick up for him and for what he did really but sacking him would be stupid, maybe removing his license for more than 20 months would be better and sending him to a few meetings would be a better option.'"
Agree 100%,drink driving is a potential killer and the minimum ban should be 5 years and upwards.Maybe if this was the case finally people may asses the risk a tad more and if it stops a few drink driving it would be a step in the right direction.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I'd have taken four, although Seymour was almost three years ago and Raynor I lost track.
Anyway, it's not a game to me but BE was clearly playing silly gets.'"
So one a year for the past three years (thats only players 4 in last three years with the chairman)....plus others without too much thought. I think that is a problem for an organisation with a playing staff of 30 max......don't you oh one eyed moral less one.
It's amazing how blind loyalty can be.
Cue desperate desperate arguments about minutiae and complete missing of the issues raised.....
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"So one a year for the past three years (thats only players 4 in last three years with the chairman)....plus others without too much thought. I think that is a problem for an organisation with a playing staff of 30 max......don't you oh one eyed moral less one.
It's amazing how blind loyalty can be.
Cue desperate desperate arguments about minutiae and complete missing of the issues raised.....'"
If all you can thinking of doing is running over to your rivals message board to attempt to gain some one-upmanship on an issue like drink driving, it's probably time to re-assess your priorities in life.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"So one a year for the past three years (thats only players 4 in last three years with the chairman)....plus others without too much thought. I think that is a problem for an organisation with a playing staff of 30 max......don't you oh one eyed moral less one.
It's amazing how blind loyalty can be.
Cue desperate desperate arguments about minutiae and complete missing of the issues raised.....'"
You are the desperate one, sunshine.
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You are the desperate one, sunshine.'"
I'm glad you think drink driving is funny and some of you hide behind rugby rivalry to dismiss the issue.
There have been a fair number of sensible replies but some of you must be children (I hope so as if some are adults I despair).
Yawn.....went another reply...really some of the people I treat find it boring doing their months if not years of rehab recovering from the actions of drink drivers.....those that survive of course.....of all ages children to pensioners.
.......happy birthday Mr Bowden went the club website......not the club and Mr Bowden wish to apologise etc etc not a bit of it...nada nothing never happened.....a F#cking sad indictment of your organisation and its leader. I let some people's posts be a judgement of them.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"I'm glad you think drink driving is funny '"
I don't, neither is using it to score points on a rugby league message board.
Quote ="Burtons Forearm"
and some of you hide behind rugby rivalry to dismiss the issue.
There have been a fair number of sensible replies but some of you must be children (I hope so as if some are adults I despair).
Yawn.....went another reply...really some of the people I treat find it boring doing their months if not years of rehab recovering from the actions of drink drivers.....those that survive of course.....of all ages children to pensioners.
.......happy birthday Mr Bowden went the club website......not the club and Mr Bowden wish to apologise etc etc not a bit of it...nada nothing never happened.....a F#cking sad indictment of your organisation and its leader. I let some people's posts be a judgement of them.'"
Are you drunk?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I don't, neither is using it to score points on a rugby league message board.
Are you drunk?'"
I feel like ginger spice did. Every time I post you reply.
Except you were nicer to her.....a bit ......creepier......
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| Don't care. He's been caught drink driving, so what. Got nothing to do with his job, he's not a HGV or Taxi driver.
The idiots on here can take their faux outrage and shove it.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Don't care. He's been caught drink driving, so what. Got nothing to do with his job, he's not a HGV or Taxi driver.
The idiots on here can take their faux outrage and shove it.'"
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| He's taken the rap, apologised for his actions and moved on. Time some stopped trying to gain the moral high ground and moved on too.
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