Like I said on your board, I would say in 90%+ the attackers head touches the defender. How can you completely avoid a person's head? I think you're getting mixed up with [uDIRECT[/u contact to the head, i.e. a swinging arm or a shoulder hit [uDIRECTLY[/u to the head.

As my stills kindly show, Ellis does no such thing. Therefore play on.

Looking at the incident again www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0QOHKjNiTE (Official SL highlights link) it makes Andersons statement of a shoulder charge to the head look foolish. Will he be forthcoming with an apology to Ellis or the "muppets"

Looking at the incident again www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0QOHKjNiTE (Official SL highlights link) it makes Andersons statement of a shoulder charge to the head look foolish. Will he be forthcoming with an apology to Ellis or the "muppets"

ANY contact with the head. Any?

Next Hudds game on TV I'll count the number of penalties, same with next FC game I go to (Catalan excepted).

This incident highlights a problem that RL has made for itself. Last week Roby, in the first half only, was giving high shots for contact around the chest. Second half he didn't really bother with any. Bentham let far more go yesterday that was genuinely high. In the Ellis/Robinson incident there was no way that Ellis could make a tackle on the small player already in a low knees-bent position without in some way connecting with the upper part of his body. Robinson effectively ran into Ellis' chest head first. If that isn't seen as an unfortunate but fair challenge then as far as I can see we either pack the game in all together or have a minimum (or maximum) height for players to be allowed to play it at all - clearly a ridiculous situation. If a small player can run at the line and duck low enough how can the average forward even make an effective tackle without being penalised most times ?

Another silly result of an attempt to over-sanitise a high impact collision sport I'm afraid. Way back when I started watching in the 70s a stiff arm was a stiff arm and was penalised often with a straight sending off. Everyone knew what a stiff arm was and the consequence of throwing one. What appears to have happened now is that the interpretation has been blurred so much so that perfectly fair shots across the ball/chest that might finish higher but without any real impact are penalised ten a penny but also the real bad high shots are not punished as much but instead put on report because "we weren't sure where the exact impact was". Players have started milking high shots and even appealing for them while the tackles are still going on. It makes it tougher for everyone from referees to players to fans and all needs a complete overhaul IMO.

Why Rich Agar?

Exactly. The inconsistency is what frustrates me, constantly tinkering with the rules doesn't help this

He's the self appointed policeman of what coaches are allowed to say in their own after match press conferences.

After watching it again on SLHighlights, Tbh i can't see nothing wrong with the tackle..

Plain an simple it's robo taking on the line, Ellis behind him and robo just runs into him not knowing he's there.

Let huddersfield complain. If there calling for Ellis, Let us call Crabtree.

That simply doesnt happen.

The vast majority of tackles end with at least one defenders arm around the back of the ball carriers neck / head.

When the tackles treat from the ruck, how often do you see a tackle put his hands on the face of the ball carrier.

Robinson copped a hard, but fair challenge, it really is that simple to see from the stills and the video footage.

Charged with a grade B offence. Probably out the cup game now.

Keep him fresh for the play-offs...............

oh, wait on a minute.

Contact with the head (on purpose or accidental) is a straight penalty nowadays, however you scored off it?

We had one not as bad with Mullally on Gardener against Saints at our spot and scored off that but it was brought back and disallowed and penalty given to Saints instead.

Seems to depend which team the infringement is against as to if the rule is followed or not!!!

Bentham is not a good ref and tends to have his own rulebook which is different outcomes for every team.

benthams' rulebook tends to lean towards the team at the top end of the table, we had him giving favourable decisions to warrington earlier in the season! must be all the earache he gets from the likes of breirs and brough chirping away at him for 80 minutes!

Really? Bugger.

Can't see it on the RFL site though (although the disciplinary page is a mess)

As soon as it happened I expected him to get charged, even though it's completely wrong. We're now likely to be missing our captain and most influencial player for the most important game of the season. Great.

Just seen it. Oh well.

Decision based on the injury happening rather than the tackle.

Absolute disgrace and further proof of everything that is wrong with the game in this country.

In the same week Poore is given a warning for driving a player head first into the ground Ellis is going to be banned for a tackle which in Australia wouldnt even have got a mention.

If crabtree gets away with his then the actions of this panel is beyond belief.

IF Ellis has committed an offence and gets punished for it, fair enough. What hacks me off is the inconsistency. Justin Poore could have put McDonnell in a wheelchair for the rest of his life and gets away with a caution. Madness

contact with the head, illegal. should of been no try and a penalty to us.

happened v saints for us too with mullally and gardner

so no blame on Robinsons part for ducking into the tackle? no shoulder was used, no penalty at the time was given, only blubbing baloos' outburst has led this to be looked at!

So everytime Burrows ducks and runs head first into a player that should be a penalty?

I hate it when I'm right.

So do I.

Poore didn't do that.

Chris

As I said earlier .It was not an illegal tackle (IMHO) but the RFL are the RFL. On the positive side at least the Dragons have 2 players up in front of the disciplinary.