Jake Webster ?

Pre 08!!

Lovegrove is classed as honegrown, Vella is Maltese as will Galea be, Newton reckons he's English!! All non-quota but non-fed barring Lovegrove (who's cheated somehow).

Two, possibly 3 if they are all fed trained?

Obviously On Quota, Fed Trained, Backup Scrum Halves grow on trees

So 1 then

I get the non-fed bit. I just didn't see why they'd not be on Quota. So they do all have EU Passports, then? And have they applied for them whilst playing for Rovers, a la Mason? If so, I think Rovers have played these rules blindingly, if not sportingly, well.

Vella is a small spherical chocolate and therefore Non Quota, Not sure about Lovegrove or Newton.

Pretty well, Yup. Given any transfer to a different club means the pre 2008 exemption gets wiped.

He certainly got a good licking off Radders

Newton's mother is English so therefor he's got an English passport, Lovegrove's family, apparently, trace back to Swindon so he's got English blood but the 'Homegrown' rule keeps him off the quota list if i'm not mistaken!!

Correct, the sooner these players retire/transfer, the better as that seems to be the bit that is confusing people!! The system is a good system and will show that in a few years when these players have filtered out!! Rovers just got very lucky in their recruitment drive timing to have gotten away with this!!

They've done nothing against the rules, it's just a question of their own morals and/or ambitions to promote youth!!

James Webster then

Jesus - they'll be playing for England soon, then.



Thought the Homegrown rule only applied to the Fed/non-Fed rule, surely it can't affect Quota?

Thought he was Off Quota now?

But presumably Non Fed Trained? as he joined us after 2008?

Once you get your fed trained status, you never lose it

You do if you got it under the "3 years at a club prior to being 21 and joining before 2008" exemption and then move clubs I think? Although tbh I've no idea how/if James Webster has that, or even if he is non fed.

My brains hurting just thinking about it at the moment.

Because this is RFL rules lol, any player who is, but would lose it., would have an ambulance chaser marching the RFL down to the Human Rights courts quicker than you could say slip,trip or fall

Has a british passport.

[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/12114[/url

'Their status as a federation trained will then apply throughout their career, even if they move clubs in the future.'

James Webster (and other EU/Kolpak 2008ers) would be free to play for you as non-quota and fed-trained - as he already has done in fact on one occasion.

Technically I think he should be fed-trained as a '2008er' but as long as he stays at Rovers he has a dispensation to be [uclub[/u-trained, which us helps with that rule. As you say he'd be off quota.

So no wonder no one signs any RU flying wingers or good backs any more.

Nothing to do with them been on better money.

Like me to B...dy OLD to understand these changerble Rules???

Nope. That part of the rule lasted barely 6 months before the RFL had to withdraw it. The exemption stays with a player for the rest of his career regardless of whether he changes clubs or not.

FFS, my previous comments about ups and brewery's apparently show the RFL in a too good light.

Quote ="colt-45"Help explaine the tongan "off the quota" position please! As in the willie mason situation getting a tongan passport so as to come off the quota as stated in the rugby press and HDM. My question is why cant MOA and LAUAKI come off the F.C quota if they hold tongan passports? '" www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=7284

Quote ="colt-45"Help explaine the tongan "off the quota" position please! As in the willie mason situation getting a tongan passport so as to come off the quota as stated in the rugby press and HDM. My question is why cant MOA and LAUAKI come off the F.C quota if they hold tongan passports? '" www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=7284

Its still laughable !!!

To those that are struggling to work out how Hull KR have gotten round the rules, here's a post I made whilst trying to work it out myself in the end (I think we all agreed that this is how it was done):

Due to the old "quota" system and the new "non-fed" system, their is a transitional period where exemptions will mean you can be one and/or the other.

After this transitional period, probably about 6-7 years, I think the word "quota" will no longer be used as there will no longer be a need to use it. All quota players will also be non-fed players (there will be no exemptions to the non-fed, so you can't be on the quota and not on the non-fed list).

So the lists look like this:

=#FF0000For Hull KR:

[uQuota (those that were classed as an overseas player before 200icon_cool.gif:[/u
Joel Clinton
Michael Dobson
Ben Galea
Blake Green
Jake Webster

[uNon-Federation Trained (those that were classed as to be trained outside of the RFL [or is it RLEF? and signed AFTER 200icon_cool.gif:[/u
Joel Clinton
Michael Dobson
Blake Green
Willie Mason
ONE PLACE AVAILABLE

[uThose that are exempt from the quota (due to having an EU passport or because of the Kolpak ruling[/u):
Ben Fisher - UK passport
Rhys Lovegrove - UK passport
Willie Mason - Tongan passport
Clint Newton - UK passport?
Michael Vella - Maltese passport

[uThose that are exempt from non-federation status (due to having signed for a club in this federation before the 2008 ruling came in):[/u
Ben Fisher - signed for Halifax in 2004
Ben Galea - signed for Hull KR in 2007 (played first game in 200icon_cool.gif
Rhys Lovegrove - signed for Hull KR in 2007
Clint Newton - signed for Hull KR in 2007 (played first game in 200icon_cool.gif
Michael Vella - signed for Hull KR in 2006 (played first game in 2007)
Jake Webster - signed for Hull KR in 2007 (played first game in 200icon_cool.gif

So really, Hull KR could technically sign ANOTHER non-fed player with an EU passport or on the Kolpak ruling! And if they get Ben Galea a Maltese passport, that would make him exempt from the quota AND non-fed status, which means they could sign another fully-fledged Aussie. Or even worse, they could sign a player exempt from the quota but not exempt from non-fed AND a player exempt from non-fed, but not the quota (say convince getting Scott Donald to come out of retirement)! In fact, they just sign a full team full of foreigners that signed for SL clubs before 2008 with Kolpak rulings or EU passports and have a full team of imports!

For Hull FC:
[uQuota (those that were classed as an overseas player before 200icon_cool.gif:[/u
Craig Fitzgibbon
Mark O'Meley
THREE PLACES AVAILABLE

[uNon-Federation Trained (those that were classed as to be trained outside of the RFL [or is it RLEF? and signed AFTER 200icon_cool.gif:[/u
Craig Fitzgibbon
Epalahame Lauaki
Sam Moa
Mark O'Meley
ONE PLACE AVAILABLE

[uThose that are exempt from the quota (due to having an EU passport or because of the Kolpak ruling[/u):
Epalahame Lauaki - Tongan passport
Willie Manu - Tongan passport
Sam Moa - Tongan passport

[uThose that are exempt from non-federation status (due to having signed for a club in this federation before the 2008 ruling came in):[/u
Willie Manu - Signed for Castleford in 2006

So we can only sign one more non-fed trained player, regardless of whether he has an EU/Kolpak passport or not. The only way we can get around it is by looking to sign a player who has already signed for a SL club BEFORE 2008 (and it won't matter what passport he has as we already have plenty of quota spaces left).