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| Quote ="PAUL M"Houghton was good but imo Manu was motm by a country mile.'"
I didnt have Manu in my top 3. Briscoe and Whiting were up there for me with Houghton. |
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Houghton was good but imo [uManu was motm by a country mile.[/u'"
Really? I actually thought Catalans had picked him out as our strike player and contained him fairly well compared to some other games he's rampaged his way through this season. He's the dog's bollox.  |
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I didnt have Manu in my top 3. Briscoe and Whiting were up there for me with Houghton.'"
I must have watched a different game, he was immense. |
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I must have watched a different game, he was immense.'"
He he stood up to their forwards but i wouldnt have said anywhere near immense. Our forwards were largely bullied imo without Fitz and O'Meley. It was only Briscoe's good work clearing our line that meant we weren't under huge pressure at times. |
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"He he stood up to their forwards but i wouldnt have said anywhere near immense. Our forwards were largely bullied imo without Fitz and O'Meley. It was only Briscoe's good work clearing our line that meant we weren't under huge pressure at times.'"
He constantly beat his opposing man and then another one. He constantly went forward and was our one attacking thread. I mean he must have made far more metres than Briscoe not to mention the amoutn of defence he went through. |
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"He he stood up to their forwards but i wouldnt have said anywhere near immense. Our forwards were largely bullied imo without Fitz and O'Meley. It was only Briscoe's good work clearing our line that meant we weren't under huge pressure at times.'"
I also think moa doesn't look the same player when fitz and particulalry o'meley aren't in the side. Must be much easier to come on and make an impact after ogre has softened them up for 20 minutes |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Houghton imposed himself on a 50/50 game as was a standout player for us. Berrigan didn't and wasn't. If you'd attended that particular game not knowing either player and said one of the two had the far bigger reputation and salary, you'd be hard-pushed IMO to pick Berrigan out as said player. I'm not having a go at Berro, but Houghton took it upon himself to take the game to Catalans and did so with gusto. Good on him. Fans, unsurprisingly, respond positively to that sort of obvious attitude and effort.'"
But we are all well aware of the particular situation and conditions. Those being Berrigan has just returned from serious injury and was playing in a position that doesn't actually see all that much of the ball with which to impose himself on the game. Whereas Houghton has been playing lots of minutes and is in great "form" playing in a position where he touches the ball pretty much every single tackle.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I must have watched a different game, he was immense.'"
Don`t disagree,but Houghton for me edged it. |
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| Quote ="Hutchie"No he didnt, he played 6 and Washy moved to LF'"
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I'm just wondering why on earth you would be comparing how a hooker playing at LF performed as opposed to a hooker playing at .....well......hooker?'"
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But we are all well aware of the particular situation and conditions. Those being Berrigan has just returned from serious injury and was playing in a position that doesn't actually see all that much of the ball with which to impose himself on the game. Whereas Houghton has been playing lots of minutes and is in great "form" playing in a position where he touches the ball pretty much every single tackle.
Its not even a valid comparison.'"
I guess the point is that Houghton, in 2 of his last 4 games has taken the game by the scruff of the neck. You're right in that hookers are in a good place to do this, but by this time next year we'll have paid Berro 600 grand and I'd like to see him do the same. He played at hooker for the first 11 rounds behind a strong pack and maybe I'm wrong but don't remember him being a major influence in those games. 4th game back from injury next week so should be back into his stride. |
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Shame we have no chance of signing mcshane. He looked very good tonight'"
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| Quote ="FC Callum"I was comparing recent weeks performances when both have played at hooker.'"
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Especially when the 'evidence critique' contains a lot of critique but very little evidence!'"
The evidence was right there in the game that you presumably watched. It doesn't surprise me that you apparently didn't notice. |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I guess the point is that Houghton, in 2 of his last 4 games has taken the game by the scruff of the neck. You're right in that hookers are in a good place to do this, but by this time next year we'll have paid Berro 600 grand and I'd like to see him do the same. He played at hooker for the first 11 rounds behind a strong pack and maybe I'm wrong but don't remember him being a major influence in those games. 4th game back from injury next week so should be back into his stride.'"
Well then why use Fridays game to highlight the point?
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"The evidence was right there in the game that you presumably watched. It doesn't surprise me that you apparently didn't notice.'"
You presumed right that I watched it. You also apparently presumed an opinion rather than based one on fact. With this being a particular bugbear of mine, I payed more attention to the respective performances of both players than anything else in the match. You'll also notice that the majority opinion is that Danny outshone Shaun. |
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| Quote ="Raggytash":2qy9e8sgYou presumed right that I watched it. You also apparently presumed an opinion rather than based one on fact. With this being a particular bugbear of mine, I payed more attention to the respective performances of both players than anything else in the match. You'll also notice that the majority opinion is that Danny outshone Shaun.'" close enough attention, I expect that you'll have noticed these. |
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"I've made no mention of Berrigan. He has no part to play in this discussion at all (especially given that he spent most of his time at 13).
I was specifically talking about two instances in which Houghton took very poor options. If you 'payed' [sic close enough attention, I expect that you'll have noticed these.'"
Simple. When lots of people on here are currently watching Houghton they are only looking for anything he does well and "miss" anything he does wrong. Whereas when they watch berrigan or horne before he got injured they only look for the bad points and "miss" anything they do well. Its close attention just a very selective one |
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Quote ="Sdtwo"Simple. When lots of people on here are currently watching Houghton they are only looking for anything he does well and "miss" anything he does wrong. Whereas when they watch berrigan or horne before he got injured they only look for the bad points and "miss" anything they do well. Its close attention just a very selective one'"
Whereas others prefer the rather snooty view that Houghton's direct and energetic play is somehow less valuable than Berrigan's because of Berrigan's NRL career, and those praising Houghton's current form are halfwits. 
Houghton is young and still has plenty to learn, but IMO is developing fast into a very good hooker at this level. He needs more consistency, which should come with time, and sometimes better decision-making but he's learning with experience. I like Berrigan, and there's a really good example of what he does best here in the "We are Hull FC!" montage on about 2 minutes 20 of a lovely delayed assist to Tickle.
www.hullfc.com/hullfctv/features.php
I just want to see more of it, week in week out, now we've got a pretty good pack. As for Horne, I'm a big fan and was absolutely delighted by his peak in form earlier in the season. I am concerned about his long term fitness however, not really from FC's perspective but for Richard himself as I hope he's not pushing himself too hard. |
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Quote ="Sdtwo"Simple. When lots of people on here are currently watching Houghton they are only looking for anything he does well and "miss" anything he does wrong. Whereas when they watch berrigan or horne before he got injured they only look for the bad points and "miss" anything they do well. Its close attention just a very selective one'"
Whereas others prefer the rather snooty view that Houghton's direct and energetic play is somehow less valuable than Berrigan's because of Berrigan's NRL career, and those praising Houghton's current form are halfwits.
Houghton is young and still has plenty to learn, but IMO is developing fast into a very good hooker at this level. He needs more consistency, which should come with time, and sometimes better decision-making but he's learning with experience. I like Berrigan, and there's a really good example of what he does best here in the "We are Hull FC!" montage on about 2 minutes 20 of a lovely delayed assist to Tickle.
www.hullfc.com/hullfctv/features.php
I just want to see more of it, week in week out, now we've got a pretty good pack. As for Horne, I'm a big fan and was absolutely delighted by his peak in form earlier in the season. I am concerned about his long term fitness however, not really from FC's perspective but for Richard himself as I hope he's not pushing himself too hard. | |
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Quote ="Mrs Barista"Whereas others prefer the rather snooty view that Houghton's direct and energetic play is somehow less valuable than Berrigan's because of Berrigan's NRL career, and those praising Houghton's current form are halfwits.
Houghton is young and still has plenty to learn, but IMO is developing fast into a very good hooker at this level. He needs more consistency, which should come with time, and sometimes better decision-making but he's learning with experience. I like Berrigan, and there's a really good example of what he does best here in the "We are Hull FC!" montage on about 2 minutes 20 of a lovely delayed assist to Tickle.
www.hullfc.com/hullfctv/features.php
I just want to see more of it, week in week out, now we've got a pretty good pack. As for Horne, I'm a big fan and was absolutely delighted by his peak in form earlier in the season. I am concerned about his long term fitness however, not really from FC's perspective but for Richard himself as I hope he's not pushing himself too hard.'"
Houghton is stepping up and developing brilliantly. On current form he is our better hooker and hopefully he'll continue to develop into an oustanding player for us. However he isnt there yet and people just seem unable to be critical or pick areas of improvement.
Berro doesnt deserve to be our highest paid player as at the moment he doesnt bring the same the team as the other senior players. However people seem to only want to notice anything poor with his performance's since hes returned from injury when in reality we should really be hoping he finds some strong form for us as were still gonna have him next year.
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Quote ="Mrs Barista"Whereas others prefer the rather snooty view that Houghton's direct and energetic play is somehow less valuable than Berrigan's because of Berrigan's NRL career, and those praising Houghton's current form are halfwits.
Houghton is young and still has plenty to learn, but IMO is developing fast into a very good hooker at this level. He needs more consistency, which should come with time, and sometimes better decision-making but he's learning with experience. I like Berrigan, and there's a really good example of what he does best here in the "We are Hull FC!" montage on about 2 minutes 20 of a lovely delayed assist to Tickle.
www.hullfc.com/hullfctv/features.php
I just want to see more of it, week in week out, now we've got a pretty good pack. As for Horne, I'm a big fan and was absolutely delighted by his peak in form earlier in the season. I am concerned about his long term fitness however, not really from FC's perspective but for Richard himself as I hope he's not pushing himself too hard.'"
Houghton is stepping up and developing brilliantly. On current form he is our better hooker and hopefully he'll continue to develop into an oustanding player for us. However he isnt there yet and people just seem unable to be critical or pick areas of improvement.
Berro doesnt deserve to be our highest paid player as at the moment he doesnt bring the same the team as the other senior players. However people seem to only want to notice anything poor with his performance's since hes returned from injury when in reality we should really be hoping he finds some strong form for us as were still gonna have him next year.
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| Quote ="Sdtwo"Houghton is stepping up and developing brilliantly. On current form he is our better hooker and hopefully he'll continue to develop into an oustanding player for us. However he isnt there yet and people just seem unable to be critical or pick areas of improvement.
Berro doesnt deserve to be our highest paid player as at the moment he doesnt bring the same the team as the other senior players. However people seem to only want to notice anything poor with his performance's since hes returned from injury when in reality we should really be hoping he finds some strong form for us as were still gonna have him next year.
Just really annoying how people are quick to dismantle certain players and others are immune to criticism'"
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6365'"
Not sure why it names our 3 players as 5th in the list for their respective positions. Thats pretty much mid table isnt it?
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6365'"
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