Certainly won't be the same if we actually have a fit scrum half and a hooker who doesn't have to play the full 80

We need to move obst on if we sign seymour

The hdm haven't a clue how the quota works!!

Why?

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Totally agree pesky injuries hey

Because he earns too much to sit in the stands most weeks

He'd be 3rd choice SH/SO and 3rd choice hooker (assuming we sign horne, if not, he isn't good enough to be 1st choice in the halfs for me)

He may go into next year 2nd choice 6, 2nd choice 7 and 3rd choice 9.

What are the chances of Houghton, Heremaia, Horne and Seymour been fit every week?

Just when i think I have worked out the quota, I read something that confuses me.

I really hope that Hull have thought about this and haven't gone the way Rovers did.

If we don't have a place for Moa, it will be a disgraceful decision.

If we don't we need to be letting Obst go.

Of course we've got space for Moa, Obst doesn't count on the non fed list.

Obst and Moa/Lauaki would 'share' a full overseas spot.

Obst is exempt, he is not on the quota, Hulls current quota players are Phelps, Fitz, Lauaki, Moa & O`Meley, with Moa and O`Meley hopefully staying plus Seymour,Heremaia & Mckinnon our quota will be full for next season.

Ok I will give it a try, each club can only have 5 non def trained overseas players.

Unless you can get exemption if you were here and signed before 2008.

Also to get exempt from the you have to be a Koplak or have an EU passport, does Obst have any of these? So this season our 5 non fed players are

O Meley
Lauaki
Phelps
Fitzgibbon
Moa

So Obst cannot count, but not sure how?

Next season it looks like we will have

Mckinnon
Seymour
Moa
O Meley
Heremaia

Manu doesn't count as he has a Togan passport and signed pre 2008, Obst must have an EU passport?

Hard work this quota lark.

Quota

Seymour
McKinnon
O'meley
Heremaia
Obst

Non fed

Seymour
McKinnon
O'meley
Heremaia
Moa/Lauaki

Obst is off non fed because he was signed for a sl club pre 2008.

Moa and lauaki are off quota because they have a kolpack passport.

Manu's off both.

This is correct so provided we can agree terms with Moa he can stay and so can Obst.

The thing for me is if Horne gets injured then Nicklas should be the back up or Turner. If Seymour gets injured then Ellis should be the back up. Houghton and Heremaia is enough cover at hooker with Newton as an additional back up.

I just don't see the need for Obst, waste of money and he will want first team rugby at his age.

I agree Paul but Agar wants options.

Obst might even ask to leave. Even if you discount the younger players Obst is still reliant on injuries to even make the 17.

Plus why sign Ellis and not have him back up to Seymour? Pointless him playing u20's.

That make sense.

Think one you have exemption you dont count on either, so Obst won't count on either, not that it seems to matter anymore as looking at the SL website, if seems that all they care about now is the non Fed trained area, quota doesn't meaning anything anymore.

Obst must have a EU passport though to claim exemption.

This is where Rovers came a cropper during the mason fiasco, they thought they could get Galea exemption from the quota because although he was here pre 2008, they could get him a EU passport like they thought they would.

Me too, but surley we would be better with Obst than Heremaia?

Off quota and settled and is playing well at hooker.

It would give us another quota spot for a foward.

But as Heremaia is signed we need to be looking to offload Obst to use his salary cap space for a foward to replace Fitz.

The player who is your 3rd choice hooker and back up for your halfs should be on about half what we are likely paying obst.

I'm now wondering if the plan is for heremaia and seymour to be our half backs with obst and houghton interchanging at hooker with the intention of offering horne a contract he won't sign so will move on. There's a lot being made about heremia and seymour knowing each other's games

Obst hasn't got a eu passport, neither has galea.

But Heremaia is playing 9 and Seymour is playing 7 so maybe they mean from that perspective?

For me it should be:-

Horne - Nicklas
Seymour - Ellis
Houghton/Heremaia - Newton

No need for Long or Obst, spend the money on a british forward or two.

Right now we have Phelps, Long, Fitz, Lauaki leaving and have brought in Mckinnon, Seymour, Heremaia and Ellis. So we are short on forwards with not a lot of cap to spend as we have probably spent what is due to go out. We could lose Washy and Obst and then use that money to strengthen the pack.

We need to be careful we don't have too many play makers and not have the strong pack, a reverse of what usually happens.

Having options is great but with the salary cap you can't afford to have players on decent wages sat in the stands every week

Why should he?

There's alot been said about Heremaia and Seymour knowing each others game because it's important for a hooker and half back to have a good partnership.

I think we need to see how it all pans out. It may be that players we expect to stay will move one but at this stage it looks like we'll have too much salary cap tied up in halfs and hookers and probably have too many players sat twiddling their thumbs in the stands each week. There'd be plenty of takers if we agreed to release obst but I don't think that's the plan

I wouldn't be surprised if we have them (Nicklas, Ellis and Newton) on dual contracts.

Playing a higher level than u20's while in ft training and learning the systems.