Good post mate.

I think we have a good side and it's upto Agar to get the best out of them, he needs to start picking the right side which means Westerman at 13. I think if he goes with the side below we can mount a good challenge this season.

Phelps
Briscoe
Yeaman
Whiting
Sharp
Horne
Long
O'Meeley
Houghton
Radford
Tickle
Manu
Westerman

Fitz (prop)
Moa
Hame
Obst

You've posted some really good points on here. I said before the season began that if Agar couldn't improve us from last year's finish then he should go. If it gets to the point where we can see ahead that we wont be top 6 then if he goes in advance fine by me. Two things disappoint me at the moment ..

1. In yesterday's game our defence was pathetic. We defended OK last year - could have been better but not bad nonetheless. Yesterday we were an embarrassment. It overshadowed some much better work with the ball in hand which is a shame.

2. The acrimony and vitriol against the club by many on here does not, in my opinion, take into account the big progress made last year. Sure we didn't pull up any trees and all in the garden certainly isn't rosy but we were in the top 5 for the vast majority of the season which is better than Morgan achieved. That isn't a pop at Rovers whatsoever it just seems as though Morgan is every Hull fans yardstick so I'll join in. We won the derbies 2-1 last year - yes I know we lost the knockout but we were doing it tough by then. I've read on here that "we've been the same for
3 seasons under Agar" but the facts totally dismiss that argument. Facts are things that some on here struggle with.

In summary - we should never have slipped back as far as we did 3 years ago. We maybe shouldn't be taking as long to get back as we are. If the Head Coach takes us backwards this year, or even looks like he might then he should carry the can. But after 1 game and the progress that was made last year there's too much moaning and negativity. Just the thoughts of one fan - as someone once said.

Totally agree with that team Paul, it is the side I would go with and believe it will be the side that (injuries permitting) shocks a few of these Agar critics with a different brand of RL that should see them finish 4/5th quite comfortably again.

Provided Agar opicks the right side, I doubt he will though he will leave Fitz at 13 which is a mistake. Westerman sould be playing the full 80 and not on the bench.

It's not the brand or rugby per se that worries me - I think the 'boring tactics' have been way overstated by some and in any case we showed some flashes of real improvement in attach yesterday. What concerns me a lot is our defence and discipline. No matter how good a side we may be able to put out we'll get nowhere unless we can defend and not give away possession with stupid penalties.

Agree...yet he decided to flog Fitz for 80 mins, and even though we lack creative players he keeps playing a forward as a looseman

Hit the nail on the head there.

If it was a bad day at the office and defence improves to the standard showed for most of last year this really willbe a decent season for you.

However any side giving away silly penalties like yesterday will be giving the other side 12 points start each game and that is the major concern.

I am pretty sure they will get it right, the players are too good and too experienced to perform as poorly as they did yesterday very often.

Hope you are right, we certainly have plenty of talent and an awesome pack!

Now that is the most sensible post so far today paul, if the club make any direction changes it has to be in the off season.. the way the franscise works means we dont have to panic change.
HOWEVER we are only one match into a long season , no panic yet by a long long way

Then don't read it?



Really?
I have seen zero evidence that that will happen.

You cant help but read it, the board is full of the tripe I refer to.

If you have seen zero evidence that the side can play I would suggest you were late getting to your seat yesterday then?

I have seen the odd signs that the side can play last season, and the season before.

Agar still has not got it right.

Ok, well I will bow down to your far superior knowledge of the game and just keep quiet from now on.

In fact I might even pee off back to what I am supposed to be doing and return in a few hours with a new username and on the Quins board where I have much more fun and enjoy the debate.

Goodbye

I like your other name better

You're not nick agar by any chance are you?

He's out of his depth and lacks the gravitas a club of our standing deserves.

Looking at the fixture list he needs a good win ratio by Easter. If we are struggling and should we then go out of the Cup at the first stage (again) the board may have no option.

Having just checked the operational rules of the salary cap it does appear that I was mistaken however I was sure that the head coach's salary did used to count on the cap. Not sure if the rules have changed or if it was just wrong advice but it came from somewhere!!!

I see nobody has named someone they think is a realistic target and what that coach could bring to the club?! Seems people are happy moaning but have no answers!

I think if you read all the board you will see the majority would be happy with Nobby and have discussed what he could bring!

Thanks BB not being funny but one thread about Agar is enough for me on this board I sometimes like to have a bit of banter on here but I don't tend to spend time going through every post on it like some!!

Noble would be a very good choice I think he has the reputation to bring in top players to a club of your stature. In saying this there were not too many Crusaders players that were sad to see him go so make of that what you will.

I have always rated Nobby and would be estatic if he joined us, although I am far from convinced he would, I have a niggly feeling it would be Mc Namara

Coaches have never counted on the cap, just players.

I did read that if a player does not make an appearance in the season , he is not included in the cap.
It was probably on RLFans , so may - heaven forbid- not be true.

Not sure how that would work with the 'live' , calenderised cap that is run now.

bring back arther bunting

Lets say hypothetically Agar gets sacked around Easter time.

Who are we going to get to replace him? Most of the good coaches are contracted until at least the end of this season.

This would seem to leave us with Noble (as already mentioned) or Cullen (no thanks).

Would we be happy with Noble long term or would we be better lining up someone else for the start of next season?

If the latter does say, Webster get the job until the end of the season or would we be better sticking with Agar until then?

I think Rovers would have to chop about 6 players from their squad to keep them under the cap if the coach counted