Berrigan looked as though he was trying to, unfortunately the majority of the team look so clueless it isn't funny any more. It's one thing having your 'tail up' and looking enthusiastic for the first part of the game, but when it matters you need structure and a game plan, we have neither.

If Thorman plays against Saints, any respect i had for Agar will be gone and i'm sure many will feel the same.

The answer to your problem with Thorman DROP HIM and sign SEAN LONG for the next 2 year's?

SIMPLES

You're shooting yourself in the foot!
We didn't have structure in the second half because our hooker had to move to SH because Thorman was pi$$ poor as per! Which in turn changed our game plan!

Think about it! Thorman needs to say bye bye.

Completely agree with that comment, any sort of variation in tactics or ideas seem to be non-existent.
As for Thorman, his performance on Tuesday should mean he should not play against Saints. If he does, what sort of message does that send out to the rest of the squad?

You only have to look at Wire since Tony Smith went there, his influence is starting to show, imo he is a fantastic coach.

And we all know that Agar will never deviate from his game plan. Fack me, he even picks when each sub will come on 3 days before a match!! I nearly fell off my chair when i saw Thorman had been subbed!

We were talking with a couple of SL players a few weeks back and both just said how awful Thorman's defence is. The whole league must know about it but Tuesday is probably the first time this year it has been properly exposed.

And you saw with his brother here how a good coach can mould ordinary players into doing the extraordinary. A good coach can organise a team, see weaknesses in the opposition and form a plan, and change things of the hoof if need be!

Which are all things that our coaches seem incapable of doing. We have one plan, its not very elaborate and we will not/can not deviate from it.

You have to wonder what exactly Jon Sharp has picked up coaching and playing under the likes of Brian Smith, Ian Millward, Brian Noble and David Waite dont you?



Maybe more influenced by Tony 'The Tank' Gordon....

A good coach will make average players appear to be good ones and good players appear to be excellent ones.....a good coach will INSTALL structures and an ethos into a team, regardless of individuals available to him........we have none and will never have any of these while Agar and Sharp are at the club.

What worries me with any potential signing of a star SH is that we do not have the set up to match him!

got to to agree with you Brian Smith did it with a average squad with two or three good players . Morgan implements a game plan that is versatile with a squad that is not much better than ours What i cant understand is what skills is Sharp bringing, he has the expeirence of Gb/ Wigan and still we have no alternative plan. John Kear once told me he believed abig part oif the game in his opinion is in the mind and this coaching staff cannot apply any of them, as you rightly say "structures"

I've yet to see any evidence of a 'game plan' for sometime now. When Berrigan went to SH he was left with the same dilema, no structure.

I think this thread could break the 'CJVT' thread.

Think Cooke broke that

It WAS a voluntary tackle.

Only cos you kept merging [iall[/i the Cookie threads together

I concur

It is what we do.

Nah, he'll score a hat-trick against Saints and we'll all love him again

He picked up his wages and then his P45. We didn't head hunt him did we?

Jon Sharp was a decent player who plateaud just below the top. He looks to have done that at a lot lower level from a coaching point of view. Our coaching team have been in place too long anyway and are too much part of the culture that has evolved. We need a big change and a coach with a detached view to assess who stays and who goes. No room for sentiment.

Are you sure though, beacuse if you look at it closely......