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| Quote ="Largeparts"I think the Horne/Thorman partnership is looking like an appetising prospect for this season. Both have a good running game but in different areas which means opposition defenders will be kept on their toes.
One of the biggest positives from last night was Thorman's kicking. The difference between find a player and finding space might only be a couple of seconds but they're vital. Thorman found the gaps very well last night.
Already in just one game, I've seen as many highlights as I did all season last year !! A 40/20 (albeit doubtful to some who post), the tackle of the season, determination & grit for the full 80 minutes with no heads down, Danny Tickle's quarterback throw forward pass for Radders to score and Yak rampaging through the Wiggin danger zone leaving defenders thrashing around like fish out of water and then carrying fourteen players over the line with him (that's right, you count 'em).
It's easy to get carried away with the opening win of the season but remember this, we played a very good Wigan side who were smarting after the Wakey defeat with a squad full of star players & internationals who will be top 4 this season. We managed to do the basics well which set up the win, despite the efforts of Mr Bentham to slow the game down, we forced the Wigan errors and played them out of the game.'"
that was one of the biggest improvements of the night, he was finding gaps between players, unlike last seasons tame kick to the full backs arms.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Didn't think it was a 40/20, I thought it was given as our feed because a Wigan player touched the ball in flight.'"
It was touched in flight.
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| I thought it was a steady start for a new half back pairing. Obviously the kicking game has improved drastically from what we have been used to. Still need major improvement when we are attacking in the 20m area, thought that too often they looked like 2 individuals taking turns rather than a partnership (this will change with gametime).
Overall, I thought we looked promising. Defence was really good and I thought the forwards played really well against a much bigger pack, with the exception of King, who I think owes us a huge season.
Tom Briscoe was outsatnding and is only going to get better, great to see Horney back and Berro will be back to his best with some more game time.
All in all....encouraging with room still for improvement.
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| Quote ="AlfieMoon"I thought it was a steady start for a new half back pairing. Obviously the kicking game has improved drastically from what we have been used to. Still need major improvement when we are attacking in the 20m area, thought that too often they looked like 2 individuals taking turns rather than a partnership (this will change with gametime).
Overall, I thought we looked promising. Defence was really good and I thought the forwards played really well against a much bigger pack, with the exception of King, who I think owes us a huge season.
Tom Briscoe was outsatnding and is only going to get better, great to see Horney back and Berro will be back to his best with some more game time.
All in all....encouraging with room still for improvement.'"
That probably sums up the whole performance.
Despite a few poor kicks, Horne and Thorman showed glimpses of what we have missed over the last couple of years.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"Hooker. Not a bad effort from someone with no pre-season run-out to put in 80 minutes in a very demanding position and have a virtually flawless game. He didn't impose himself as he can and has, but that wasn't what was needed tonight. What was was good distribution and good marshalling of the defence down the middle. He did both exceptionally well.'"
Glad he got 80 mins under his belt but have to ask why Houghton wasnt on the bench on reflection in place of Washy to give us some zip around the ruck. Other than his play to put Horney in i didnt notice Berro TBH. Its nice to win comfortably when our star men like Manu and Berro dont play well, cant wait to see when they do!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T". . . Berro dont play well . . .
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Did fine with his first game back. Made a couple of handy breaks but was very busy defending around the ruck.
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| Quote ="Largeparts"Did fine with his first game back. Made a couple of handy breaks but was very busy defending around the ruck.'"
Did fine isnt what we expect from me which i guess is my point. Its nice to do fine and win, but i think we all expect more from him.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Did fine isnt what we expect from me which i guess is my point. Its nice to do fine and win, but i think we all expect more from him.'"
True enough but for his first game of competitive rugby for 2009 season, he didn't let anyone down.
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| Quote ="Largeparts"True enough but for his first game of competitive rugby for 2009 season, he didn't let anyone down.'"
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| WOULD SOONER HAVE PIGGY RIDDELL bet the wigan fans have been impressed with him.
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| Quote ="BESTY"Even the most blinkered Wigan fan can't be impressed with what Piggy 'in the' Riddell has offered so far, he was still walking back to get behind the ball on tackle 3 of one of our defensive sets after a kick chase, that was inside the first 8 minutes. He also looked slow with his distribution and just generally lazy/unfit.'"
who was that guy in the yellow top barking out orders behind theplay of the ball ????????? thought that was stopped
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| Quote ="dravid67"who was that guy in the yellow top barking out orders behind theplay of the ball ????????? thought that was stopped
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Was it Mick Forshaw, not sure if he's on their staff but it looked like him (from about 50 yards away).
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| In terms of the structure of the team I didn't really notice any big changes from last season. The major difference was a decent kicking game which will give us a better chance of winning the close games we always seemed to lose last year. Hopefully as the season progresses we will see a bit more from the team with ball in hand.
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| Berrigan was probably confused as to why he hadn't being moved position / interchanged.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Glad he got 80 mins under his belt but have to ask why Houghton wasnt on the bench on reflection in place of Washy'"
Probably because Washbrook needed some game-time as well. Like it or not, he's probably going to be in the first choice 17 and Houghton won't be, so if Berrigan felt he could do 80 (which he did, whilst still looking strong near the end), getting a bit of time on the pitch for Washbrook was more important than giving Houghton a run-out .
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| Not sure what some people expect of Berro but give the guy a chance FFS! It was his first run out of the year and he played a full 80 mins in a pivitol role. His defence around the ruck was awesome and obviously has been missed by some on here!
As for Horne and Thorman....good signs already, lets hope they both stay relatively injury free.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"Like it or not, he's probably going to be in the first choice 17 and Houghton won't be, '"
Who said i didnt want Washy in the 17. He's our first choice 13. My point was that with it being Berro's first game it would have been more prudent to carry Houghton on the bench to allow Berro to take a break for 20-30 mins. Would have benefited the side too imo.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Who said i didnt want Washy in the 17.'"
No-one that I know of and certainly not me. My point was that, as he is going to be in the 17 each week, it benefited us more to have him get some game-time than it would've done to have Houghton come on, especially as we're a much better team with Berrigan at hooker anyway. As long as he can do 80 minutes, there's no need waste a bench spot on someone who probably won't be needed.
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| Quote ="Yeamo"Thought they connected well tonight, despite one awful kick from each of them. I am expecting big things if they both stay fit
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Agree. And the great thing is that if Thorman keeps performing, he'll get a new contract before too long and we might get 4-5 years out of this partnership around which we can really (re-) build a team. With time the more expansive plays will develop as the team gels around these two.
Some were disappointed with his signing or at least the fact that we didn't sign a big name half, but unlike a big name from down under Thorman might give us longevity. The problem with the big names, as many teams find out, is that once they've done their two years, its back to square one in terms of that crucial partnership around which the rest of the team operates.
For Thorman and Horne to have hit it off so early and that they clearly complement one another's games with Horne more of a runner and Thorman more of a tactical kicker I think the future looks very bright for the next few years.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"In terms of the structure of the team I didn't really notice any big changes from last season. The major difference was a decent kicking game which will give us a better chance of winning the close games we always seemed to lose last year. Hopefully as the season progresses we will see a bit more from the team with ball in hand.'"
now then rich agar
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"It was touched in flight.'"
Sad as I am, I thought I'd check the Opta stats before I answered this. Forty Twenties - Richard Horne = 1.
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Quote ="downtheante"Sad as I am, I thought I'd check the Opta stats before I answered this. Forty Twenties - Richard Horne = 1.'"
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"viewtopic.php?t=394604
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| Quote ="wolfie"now then rich agar
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Now then stalker
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