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| Quote ="UllFC"Sutcliffe doesn't look interested, very half hearted drives. Woeful centre combo today.'"
think what we are likey to have next season also
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| Quote ="mwindass"Was like listening to Smith that.
Says how well coached London are but the reason we lost wasn't down to poor coaching. Fark me'"
trying to tell us that a flat attacking line with no depth like a defensive line is not down to coaching?
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| Quote ="bonaire"think what we are likey to have next season also'"
You think we will go with just two centres next season, Scott and Carlos out (Mitch probably too) and only bring in Hardraker?
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Someone asked if we had hit rock bottom a few pages back? You'd like to think so but I think that will actually come in the next few days when we learn what the on report incident was. Last thing we need right now is a player copping a ban for a derogatory slur of some kind (although whoever it is will deserve everything they get if they are guilty).
We were well beaten by a part time team today. And well done London because they deserved that. They looked so much better organised than we did, had a game plan, played as a team, and simply wanted it more. You would genuinely think that it was us that are the part time team. And we might as well be. I'm not even sure they even deserve to be called the word "team" right now. All those improvements we had been seeing since Grix took over, all those slight changes we'd seen in attitude, defence etc... the stuff suggesting we were maybe, just maybe, turning a corner... well, none of it was on show today. That was as bad as anything we were serving up under Tony Smith. Maybe even worse.
If Grix had any hope of getting the job permanantly, he needed a win today. Feels like the players threw him under the bus a bit as they are prone to do. And until we get to the bottom of why they constantly do this, they'll continue to do this. Big job on Myler's hands to turn this around. It certainly won't happen overnight. No wonder he was talking about a seven year plan the other day!'"
seriously does anyone actually think Myler can turn this around given the signings he has made for next season.He wouldnt even be here was it not for the pot of money he brings with him
Asiata was a great start which he should have built on but instead has brought in old experience on the basis that in two years we will have our own younger players to replace them which is a huge mistake given how many younger players from the academy actually make regular S/L players.
people will say give the guy a chance but from what i have seen already and the now reported interest in bringing Abdul and Satae back the club is now a joke
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| Quote ="bonaire"seriously does anyone actually think Myler can turn this around given the signings he has made for next season.He wouldnt even be here was it not for the pot of money he brings with him
Asiata was a great start which he should have built on but instead has brought in old experience on the basis that in two years we will have our own younger players to replace them which is a huge mistake given how many younger players from the academy actually make regular S/L players.
people will say give the guy a chance but from what i have seen already and the now reported interest in bringing Abdul and Satae back the club is now a joke'"
Been in the job less than a month and you've already written it off. That's a new record for you
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| Quote ="bonaire"seriously does anyone actually think Myler can turn this around given the signings he has made for next season.He wouldnt even be here was it not for the pot of money he brings with him
Asiata was a great start which he should have built on but instead has brought in old experience on the basis that in two years we will have our own younger players to replace them which is a huge mistake given how many younger players from the academy actually make regular S/L players.
people will say give the guy a chance but from what i have seen already and the now reported interest in bringing Abdul and Satae back the club is now a joke'"
Has recruitment finished?
Has a coach been appointed?
Let's wait until everything is in place before we start to fully critise Myler, he has been in the job 4 weeks.
But like you do with so many players etc, you decided straight away you didn't like him and was never going to give him a chance.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Houghton made 0 carries yesterday, in 63 minutes.'"
but he is a legend
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| Quote ="Dave K."Amazed he is still at the club.'"
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| Quote ="mwindass"Been in the job less than a month and you've already written it off. That's a new record for you'"
Wait until he finds out Richard Agar's coming back as head coach!
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| Quote ="Dave K."Ref didn't think it was racist and he was right there.'"
seems there is no evidence in any case
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| Quote ="bonaire"seems there is no evidence in any case'"
Certainly not from the RFL side. Doesn't look like the ref or the officials heard anything and no doubt the game footage will have been reviewed to see if that picked anything up. All going to depend on what London can produce to the contrary if they pursue it.
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| Quote ="mwindass"Been in the job less than a month and you've already written it off. That's a new record for you'"
when you have a bag of money to spend and waste it on Hardaker when Leutele was available plus a second row who cant get into Leighs team i question his ability.
Now from reports we could be interested in Abdul and Satae.
Most on here were glad to see the back of Satae as he was called lazy and Abdul laughed at due to his weight problem yet if we sign them again them the same fans will be saying what great signings
The club is a joke at the moment
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| Quote ="bonaire"when you have a bag of money to spend and waste it on Hardaker when Leutele was available plus a second row who cant get into Leighs team i question his ability.
Now from reports we could be interested in Abdul and Satae.
Most on here were glad to see the back of Satae as he was called lazy and Abdul laughed at due to his weight problem yet if we sign them again them the same fans will be saying what great signings
The club is a joke at the moment'"
No one have said they are great signings.
Just all better than we have.
If these were our only signings then yes I'd worry, but probably going to be at least 6 more players including 3 quota players to come in.
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| Quote ="bonaire"when you have a bag of money to spend and waste it on Hardaker when Leutele was available plus a second row who cant get into Leighs team i question his ability.
Now from reports we could be interested in Abdul and Satae.
Most on here were glad to see the back of Satae as he was called lazy and Abdul laughed at due to his weight problem yet if we sign them again them the same fans will be saying what great signings
The club is a joke at the moment'"
And how do you know he hasn't offered Leutele a deal? Maybe Leutele doesn't want to join us because we are a joke of a club? Having the greatest DOR in the game wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if players don't want to come. Same with the coaches. Perhaps we're adjusting our sights and targets to more realistic options given our current plight?
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| Quote ="bonaire"when you have a bag of money to spend and waste it on Hardaker when Leutele was available plus a second row who cant get into Leighs team i question his ability.
Now from reports we could be interested in Abdul and Satae.
Most on here were glad to see the back of Satae as he was called lazy and Abdul laughed at due to his weight problem yet if we sign them again them the same fans will be saying what great signings
The club is a joke at the moment'"
Like it or not Hardaker, Briscoe, Asiata, Holmes, Abdull and Satae are all improvements on what we currently have.
Thing is you'll whinge at anything, instead of waiting to see the full picture.
You've got it in your head that Myler will be a failure so everyone had to see you rant about it everyday until he leaves.
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| Quote ="bonaire"when you have a bag of money to spend and waste it on Hardaker when Leutele was available plus a second row who cant get into Leighs team i question his ability.
Now from reports we could be interested in Abdul and Satae.
Most on here were glad to see the back of Satae as he was called lazy and Abdul laughed at due to his weight problem yet if we sign them again them the same fans will be saying what great signings
The club is a joke at the moment'"
How much will we be paying him?
And don't say it's "obvious" he'll be on a wedge because it isn't.
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| Quote ="Dave K."No one have said they are great signings.
Just all better than we have.
If these were our only signings then yes I'd worry, but probably going to be at least 6 more players including 3 quota players to come in.'"
Which is fair enough if a stop gap for a year but these will all be on 2 year + contracts
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| Quote ="mwindass"Like it or not Hardaker, Briscoe, Asiata, Holmes, Abdull and Satae are all improvements on what we currently have.
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The rebuild required at the club is going to have to be done in stages. Firstly, we will need to assemble a squad who can at least steady the ship, produce slightly more consistency in performance and push us up to around 8th/9th in the table. From there we can then build on that, bringing in better players in order to challenge for a play-off spot and then from there, hopefully, to challenging once more towards the top end of the table.
As you say, the players listed above should help us in part one of the process, their experience alone should move us upward even if it is only slowly, heaven knows they cannot be worse than what we currently have.
We are not going to leap back into the top four in one fell swoop. We are currently sitting on around seven successive years of mistakes, it will probably take another seven years to undo all the wrong turnings we have made in the recent past. No-one decent will come here right now, until we can prove to the game that we have stopped being a basket-case club. If the club adopted a policy of only signing high-quality players we'll be waiting until doomsday for anyone to sign!!
We're going to have to suffer for some time. We are where we are due to our own mistakes and it is going to be a long road back with no short-cuts unfortunately.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Which is fair enough if a stop gap for a year but these will all be on 2 year + contracts'"
Most players will be angling for more than a year though. It's probably the price we have to pay right now. It's well known thanks to Beaumont that they offered Asiata a two year deal for example but we've offered three. If it's the difference between getting a player and not getting a player (even if we consider them a stop gap) then we'll probably have to accept their terms. Players and their agents will likely be in the position of power with us right now.
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| Quote ="BP1"The rebuild required at the club is going to have to be done in stages. Firstly, we will need to assemble a squad who can at least steady the ship, produce slightly more consistency in performance and push us up to around 8th/9th in the table. From there we can then build on that, bringing in better players in order to challenge for a play-off spot and then from there, hopefully, to challenging once more towards the top end of the table.
As you say, the players listed above should help us in part one of the process, their experience alone should move us upward even if it is only slowly, heaven knows they cannot be worse than what we currently have.
We are not going to leap back into the top four in one fell swoop. We are currently sitting on around seven successive years of mistakes, it will probably take another seven years to undo all the wrong turnings we have made in the recent past. No-one decent will come here right now, until we can prove to the game that we have stopped being a basket-case club. If the club adopted a policy of only signing high-quality players we'll be waiting until doomsday for anyone to sign!!
We're going to have to suffer for some time. We are where we are due to our own mistakes and it is going to be a long road back with no short-cuts unfortunately.'"
Great post!
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| Quote ="Dave K."No one have said they are great signings.
Just all better than we have.
If these were our only signings then yes I'd worry, but probably going to be at least 6 more players including 3 quota players to come in.'"
Satae coming back? you were one who said he wouldnt be missed
Abdul laughed at by many on here due to his weight
Briscoe and Hardaker way past their best and Holmes cant even make Leighs first team squad
as i said it wouldnt matter who we signed as most on here will still make a case that its a good signing
just looks to me that there is no real plan in either player aquisition or a new team coach.
Where is the ambition?
If we are going to splash some money on quality like Asiata then Myler should be in Australia meeting
Agents,players and coaches as thats where a decent coach and the right quality players are going to come from
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"And how do you know he hasn't offered Leutele a deal? Maybe Leutele doesn't want to join us because we are a joke of a club? Having the greatest DOR in the game wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if players don't want to come. Same with the coaches. Perhaps we're adjusting our sights and targets to more realistic options given our current plight?'"
alternatively how do you know that he has?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"How much will we be paying him?
And don't say it's "obvious" he'll be on a wedge because it isn't.'"
We shouldnt be paying him anything as he shouldnt be anywhere near the club especially if it a 2 year deal as reported
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| Quote ="bonaire"alternatively how do you know that he has?'"
I don't. But neither do you. And I'm not the one acting as judge, jury and executioner.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Satae coming back? you were one who said he wouldnt be missed
Abdul laughed at by many on here due to his weight
Briscoe and Hardaker way past their best and Holmes cant even make Leighs first team squad
as i said it wouldnt matter who we signed as most on here will still make a case that its a good signing
just looks to me that there is no real plan in either player aquisition or a new team coach.
Where is the ambition?
If we are going to splash some money on quality like Asiata then Myler should be in Australia meeting
Agents,players and coaches as thats where a decent coach and the right quality players are going to come from'"
Why don't you just give the guy a chance? Instead of telling him that everything he is doing is wrong and acting like you know better and can do better?
Same with our signings. Regardless of what you think, these players are coming or are already here. Get behind them, support them. Instead of writing them off.
As for ambition, we might have ambition. The attempt to get Rowley felt ambitious to me. Signing Asiata feels ambitous. But we also need to be realistic. We're joint bottom and quite frankly we are lucky that it's only joint bottom. That's how bad we are right now. That's the reality and that is going to be offputting for a lot of coaches and players. So it doesn't really matter how ambitious we are if people aren't interested. As BP1 said, we're likely going to have to prove to the game that we are no longer a basket-case before we're treated seriously. Doesn't stop us from being ambitous, doesn't stop us from trying. It just means that the reality won't necessarily match those ambitions.
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