Good point, but I think it's our inability to break down good defences which is the problem
Plus we've played more games then most

Ouch!

In fairness this tends to be your default mindset. Didn't you say a couple of years ago that Pearson was killing the club and things would get worse?

Fair enough, although cas would need to score 19 tries and leeds 7 to catch us up today.

Another boring stat - I reckon our starting 17 have missed 38 games this season, that averages nearly 4 per game.

Cas 3 games in hand Leeds 2 , I'm not convinced our attack is the 3rd best in the league, especially when you look at who most of our try's was against

Didn't you say we was going under and we wouldn't even have a team

I think the point is the perception that we are clueless in attack and rely entirely on Albert Kelly to score points is not borne out by facts. If you want to bring in who we've played against so far that further weakens your argument as we've played Leeds, Cas, Wigan and Saints away, so to be one of only 3 clubs with >200 points is not too bad. Kelly has scored 3 of our 35 tries so far this year and has fewer assists than both Sneyd and Shaul.

I said we were at financial risk, which was the case (and remains so if we can't be self-sustaining). Fortunately the Faithful continued to back the club following Adam's rallying call, and with the galvanizing impact of Lee Radford here we are, back to back Wembley winners and cash in the bank from Australia. Who'd have thought it?

more shoite, do you live with Bumpy?

Which bit's untrue?
Financial risk - see the going concern note in the filed accounts
Did Adam issue a rallying call? Er, yes.
Did fans respond? I think so if season pass and merchandise sales of recent years are anything to go by
Has Lee Radford galvanized the squad since the days of Agar and Gentle? Team spirit and togetherness are consistently cited by players as a key factor in our success.
We won back to back at Wembley, right?
I think you've seen reports about the financial benefits of Australia.

No need to try and get round the swear filter. Reasoned arguments are a more mature way to respond I think.

Kelly is the only player in our squad who when attacking with ball in hand puts fear in the opposition.
Clueless attack is borne out by our inability to break down a defence in the opposition 20 despite repeat sets and relying in the main on a kick to the corner.

I've not mentioned once, Kelly been our only attacking threat . I actually think we've plenty of strike , if used correctly , I think Connor can unlock a defence as good as anyone, for me must start, Carlos is as skilfull as they come , and snyed's kicking game can be outstanding, when our forwards are on top. I'd just like to see our backs used more in midfield and and more off loads from our forwards with Shaul supporting , we do and have looked pretty obvious for sometime now . Andy doesn't really weaken my argument , if anything proves my point , we lost all 3 of the games you mentioned, our attack struggles against decent opposition, I don't really think it's an argument, I think most on here can see our attack as been pretty poor for a while now

You mean utilising Sneyd's attacking kick ability to hit our best aerial attacking player in Talanoa? Sounds a reasonable attacking ploy IMO.

I agree that we are in the slightly unusual position from a Hull perspective of actually having talent and skill in our backs but through injury/idiocy not being able to get anywhere near our best pack on the park to lay a platform for them. Even discounting the Watts scenario, have we been able to have:

Taylor
Houghton
Paea
Mini
Manu
Bowden

on the field as a unit for many games? If we could get closer to that it would be a help.

You, Bumpy, Seb... you should buy a pea green boat and leave true fans alone, but you wont, it's amazing what you can PRETEND to be behind a keyboard.

Yeh completely agree , we'll be much more dangerous with that starting pack , but why don't we change our style of play with different personnel, it's naive thinking lane can come in and do the same job as manu or mini , we've no plan b and imo as been a problem for a few seasons now

What deception on my part are you implying here?

Is this person seriously suggesting that you and the others are not true fans. He's soon reverted to showing his true colours.

I disagree. People bleat on about having one structure so that when you have an injury you directly slot in a player from the academy. This is what we've done with Lane, but the fact is he's 19 and inexperienced, probably at least 5-7 years off his peak so the quality of the squad is automatically diluted when he replaces Manu/Mini - no disrespect to him at all. When you have multiple players out obviously this becomes more difficult. I think the plan b scenario is more important when we miss one or more of Shaul/Kelly/Houghton in the spine and try and accommodate Miloudi/Connor/Abdull/Washy there instead, which has been the case a lot this year, but in my opinion

less so in the pack.

As opposed to saying Ellis has contributed nothing so far. #intheknow

You mean calling someone clueless after being yet again attacked on the forum when they were so far off the mark despite being given a bundle of evidence to disprove what they were saying it was actually accurate?
Think you'll find it's you and others who start throwing the abuse and goading when you don't like what's written.
You're a sad act who couldn't wind up a watch, as soon as one enters into a debate about rugby all you can come back with is inane responses, it's your level after-all but pathetic all the same.
You even called me a racist pig, forget that did you!

Of course your team as structures , it as to , and I mean no disrespect to any off the youngsters that come in for the likes of manu etc, but lane running the same lines as mini or manu twenty yards out, just isn't a threat at all , but we just continue to try it over and over again with little effect , yes run the same lines , but why not miss him out and get it in the hands of outside back threats, we just don't try anything different until it's to late and it's just basketball lucky stuff with no structure at all

So you don't throw around abuse but I'm a sad act, pathetic and not forgetting a racist but you're the one under attack?

I seriously believe you have mental health issues.

Having had the honour of being called clueless by bumpy for merely questioning a ridiculous claim that initially had no back up other than his enormous opinion of himself, followed by a deconstruction of his so called evidence I resemble that remark.

And I stuck to rubbishing the weak argument he put forward rather than personal abuse.

Still I think I'm beginning to understand why he rates psychologists so highly - he must have some nice friends who wear white coats.

Bumpy - chillax bro
Don’t take too much to heart
After all it’s a forum of opinions and some of them are off the scale
Mine sometimes for sure lol
There seems to be a lot of anger which is not great in this board of Hull fans who in essence only care for the team and have lively banter on the team and where we are headed and have been
Currently I’m very concerned about FC and really hope we turn the corner and finish 4th somehow