Are you confusing passion with intelligence?

He was making decisions based on adrenaline rather than experience and could have cost us the game. He should know better. He was literally going for a big hit in every set of 6 and most of the time completely missed the man. A big hit can be a very good thing but has to be done at the right time or you are just leaving massive holes in the defensive line.

agreed, and it is probably the best way to manage Kingy, let him know what the boundaries are, let him (and anyone else) see that Agar is not scared of making the difficult decisions.

Spot-on. I'm also hoping we improve our use of Manu off the bench. It must have been a good 7 or 8 minutes after he came on before he touched the ball, not exactly an impact substitution if he doesn't see the ball.

It seems like a few players are between a rock and a hard place! They need Super League rugby to get up to speed but their performances are off the pace.

Its the start of the season and most teams have the same issues including Celtic (possibly more then most!) so as Agar stated we should play horses for courses to get the 2 points and hopefully build confidence and fitness in doing this.

It was Kingy`s first competitive game since Catalans last year.
Up until his injury in 2008 he was our best forward.

Question answered - Thanks Wolfie.

Wrong.

He was the best of a bad bunch of Props for the first 6-7 weeks of the season.

Washbrook, Berrigan and Manu were all better than King all of last season when they played.

Overall, Thackray was our best prop last season imo

Think King can also often give off a false view of performing well because of his aggression and is 'localness' if thats even a word. Trying to put in 3 big hits and get the crowd up doesnt mean he has played well, but often thats all that is remembered about his performances.

Sorry Cindy your way off the mark, yes we love passion, but discipline is a major part too and for too many years a lot of our players have been getting it easy off the field.

King was below the mark on Friday and im sure he'll admit that himself. Will gove him a few games to get upto speed and then judge him from there on

King was our best prop until he was injured. Oh and Manu!! You been drinking





Manu was non exsistent for the early part of the season.

Thackray made his debut last season in France. King was injured in the same match.
Manu was very inconsistant and for me this season needs to improve and show more impact and aggression. Berro played the majority of 2008 at halfback.

Not a massive fan of King and I thought he was poor on Friday. With the opposition for Saturday hardly World Class (not that we should underestimate them at all, we can't afford to do that), Maloney may get a chance and if that happened, I would be pleased

The bloke has been given far too many chances to change his lifestyle. He is not talented enough to be able to burn the candle at the proverbial and maintain an acceptable level of performance.

...and it begins, after just one game too!

In all fairness the Kingy debate is not just after one game...I do not think he was very good on Friday, however it is early days and he should be given opportunities the same as others, he is going to have to really raise his game though

Of course its after one game.

Last season before his injury he was arguably our best prop.

As for his 'off the field' antics which are 75% rumour, 20% Chinese Whisper and 5% fact, why do we continue to persecute players time and time again for incidents which may or may not have happened in the past.

I dont know about Old Faithful, we might have to change it to Old moaning b@st@rds.

you best get saving up another £100 then

Not a chance it can stay as it is im not going through that again

Best prop down to opinion..in my opinion he was not however I respect your view..agree on the rumour I am not interested.. I for one am not persecuting him I am judging him on his rugby and I apologise but I do not rate him highly

thats in your opinion, some of us know better.

Well said standee

just like to add that I'll judge Kingy on the next 5/6 gaes he plays, not a one off game.

Some people always think they know better and thats half the problem.

and some people DO know better KON

ok