Saints playing their third game in 8 days too. Without barba and walmsley plus lost roby during the game who are 3 of the best players in the comp. We were 2nd best by a long way.

It's not just last night, it's what's happened already this season. Were just not competitive with the best teams imo

Last night wasn't a disaster, we looked tired but Saints are a good side so I don't think at any point of the season we'd have been favourites to win.

But I am concerned that so far this season we seem to have taken a step back from our levels in 2016 & 2017, we seem to have lost aggression (not helped by the departures of Ellis & Fonua) and we are still making too many silly errors and playing games in patches. We have suffered more injuries and suspensions this year (even on the Wings were normally you expect a lot of consistency) but we need to manage it better.

Still lots of the season to go, but so far I think we are looking at finishing 5th-8th which would be disappointing and more back where we were during the Gentle era and 2015 not the top4 Grand Final assault we had hoped for.

Wire cruising v Salford already

I know stats are only stats, but saints missed more tackles when they beat wigan last weekend.

Saints 8 points ahead played the same number of games
Wire 4 points ahead same played
Wigan 2 ahead 2 games in hand
Leeds 1 point in front 2 games in hand
Cas same points 3 games in hand.

We need to go on a big winning run

Both Castleford and Warrington starting to come good.Dont think we have a chance of top 4.Looks like 5th or 6th at best

Could have done with Catalans winning this but looks like they've gone to pieces

Your the first person to mention Radford out, maybe You need to get a grip

Radford doesn't have the ability to take us any further, 2016 was his best chance of winning the league title with a squad that was well over the cap AND virtually injury free.
I predicted us in 1st at the beginning of the season but frankly he's not being able to instil in the team what's required to be a top club, we're a bit like Warrington a few years ago but without reaching a GF.
We have a great squad, we have a great youth system and yet the teams ability to score tries in the red zone has gone backwards and whilst at times our defence is awesome the same holes/frailties appear time and again.

Comedy platinum

He's natural successor to Ken Dodd. A laugh a minute!!

We have an amazing youth system that yields no decent youth players
Radford's useless but capable of getting us finishing top
We have a live salary cap but inexplicably went over it to the extent of getting rid of our best forward
Radford bullies Shaul but the squad joke that Shaul is Radford's lovechild
Incredible stuff

Is it a game to see who can slag knockersbump off first every time he posts he obviously doesn't like Radford but at least he talks rugby and only offers an opinion isn't that the point of a forum

I have no problem with that but he's abusive to anyone who disagrees with him. If he simply posted his opinion and discussed it no one would care but anyone who dares to disagree is met with a load of abuse. I just enjoy winding him up TBH as the forum is boring as hell otherwise

Bring back the Bump
I’ve not seen a lot of his posts but he deserves a gold medal for persistence lol
Is he ok ? You know like properly ok ?
We need colour in life and if we were all the same we’d be robots
He’s angry that we’re not winning GFs
He’s angry that we don’t make GFs
He’s concerned we will finish 6-8th this season which is a disaster and certainly not what AP will be looking for
He can’t work out why we have no real attacking flair and haven’t replaced Ellis/Mahe correctly
He’s concerned at missed tackles and errors

Definitely a silver.



A doctor of psychiatry would have a field day.



He owns a pink waistcoat with yellow dots.



Aren't we all? Although some of our anger is dulled with a heavy dose of realism.



See above.



When Peter Gentle managed that feat for two consecutive seasons Bumpy hailed him as the new messiah.



He wittered on for the last two seasons that Ellis wasn't worth his spot and wasn't value for money. Madness to the majority of us, I'd hazard a guess at.



The wheel will keep turning.

Ditto.
If it wasn't for the Bumpster tieing himself up in knots, and the Mrs Barista/Mild Rover tennis matches, then this place would be considerably bleaker.

If you go into a game with a back 3 of Washbrook,Lane and Fash and cannot for the first 20 mins get out of your own half,you cannot expect to beat the team at the top away from home.We have lost some big players in the forwards in the last 2 seasons and not replaced them.I am not convinced the crop of youngsters we hear about all the time are as good as what they are made out to be,only time will tell,however I do not think we are strong enough this season to trouble the top 4.As for a hatrick of Wembley wins we will need a lot of luck in the draw.We are also copping injury after injury,no ones fault but without our best 17 being available we will continue to struggle

From a forwards perspective we've lost Ellis and brought in/back Paea and Hadley, plus will have expected more than last year from the likes of Fash and Masi, so in the round that's not unreasonable squad management IMO. I don't believe any club has acquired a forward of Ellis' stature recently, he simply can't be replaced like for like in the current market. The big damage is losing Watts unexpectedly mid season; arguably a long vs short term decision but even for next year I just can't see a player of his quality to become available and in the short term this has been compounded with injuries to Hadley, Houghton, Sika, Minichiello and Fash, plus Bowden playing jabbed up. On reflection to go away to the champions-elect who've only lost one game and keep it respectable, with Faraimo also missing and losing Talanoa during the game, was not a disastrous outcome.

In isolation the loss isn't a disaster but when added into the previous 9 games it's a worrying continuation on a trend. When was the last time you watched us and thought we'd played to our best for the full 80 minutes? Probably the semi final at donny last year for me.

Way too many games where we make too many errors, lose concentration (don't get me started on kick offs after we've scored), miss too many tackles, give away too many penalties or fail to turn pressure into points.

I do think we've missed a golden opportunity in 2016 and 2017 where most of the other "big" clubs weren't at their best to really write the current squad into the history books. We could have won the double in both seasons IMO as we had the best squad in the comp for those 2 years

Need a comfortable win at Widnes to settle nerves.

Sadly I see another struggle 'a la Salford' - our attack is pedestrian & unimaginative. Fonua a huge loss as well as Ellis & Watts. Too reliant on individuals breaking line.

Can't see a top 4 spot after 23 games, especially given current crop of injuries.

Radders not the Dadders certain people make out? I dont think so. Hes a good coach who will go down as a great because of the Wembley double but imo hes taken this and HIS team as far as he can bit like Tony Smith did with Wire. Too many bad things have never changed in his tenure and i see a slow decline from us now

I agree and you've kind of backed up what knocker was saying . Radford deserved every chance to put a gf challenging team together , but I think every single person this forum would agree , he needs some help , i.e. Attacking coach , it's been plane for everyone to see for seasons now , same attacking problems no matter how good a squad we have

Plus if you take out Kelly from the attack we have nothing and thats even more concerning

... although only wigan and saints have scored more tries than us.