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| the sooner Radford clears off the better
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| From an outsider's perspective, Pearson is his own worst enemy in terms of progress. If he didn't chirp up in the HDM year on year saying how Hull either 'will or can do xyz' then he wouldn't be left looking stupid when they fail to deliver.
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| cant see anything wrong with the article,i think with the squad we are getting together we will be better by far, if not Radford will be for the chop,simples
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| Quote ="Dave K."Again, not many (if any) has said that, a few have said that Radford has improved us this year from last. If we can finish 6th/7th with a tougher set of fixtures then Radford will have at least matched Gentles league performance.'"
That is the claim I was getting at, but I worded it badly in a rush. We have persistently been told by Pearson about how Radford is turning the club around, yet for all this club rebuilding he's been doing 2 years on all we can really say with certainty is that we're now less s**t than in his first season. And this after spending a small fortune paying off players who were apparently the root cause of our problems, but would actually almost all be out of contract in a couple of months anyway.
You're right that it hasn't actually been specifically stated, but my personal perception is that Pearson has at times attempted to lay the abominable 2014 season largely at Gentle's door, and thus treat the improvement since as some sort of vindication that Radford is fixing Gentle's mess. So that's where I agree with UllFC, that the situation Radford took over has been overemphasized to how bad it actually was.
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Clueless'"
Great comeback, well done.
Feel free to add a link showing anyone from the club saying that Radford inherited a "disaster of a squad and has had to start from nothing".
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Great comeback, well done.
Feel free to add a link showing anyone from the club saying that Radford inherited a "disaster of a squad and has had to start from nothing".'"
Thanks, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that's what they've implied for 2 years now, at least he'll finally have is squad next season. Lets see how that works out. Not been funny, but I reckon every single person on this forum could have done as good, if not better job than Radford with the resources he's had. He should do better next season , with the way the squads looking, how much better remains to be seen
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Thanks, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that's what they've implied for 2 years now, at least he'll finally have is squad next season. Lets see how that works out. Not been funny, but I reckon every single person on this forum could have done as good, if not better job than Radford with the resources he's had. He should do better next season , with the way the squads looking, how much better remains to be seen'"
OK so you can't find such a link. In that case show me a link quoting any coach ever, saying he has weakened a squad since taking over a club.
There are certainly plenty of wannabee coaches on here, I'll grant you.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"OK so you can't find such a link. In that case show me a link quoting any coach ever, saying he has weakened a squad since taking over a club.
There are certainly plenty of wannabee coaches on here, I'll grant you.'"
Are you smoking crack, do you honestly not think, pearson and Radford have not blamed the previous regime for the past 2 seasons absolute poop?
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Are you smoking crack, do you honestly not think, pearson and Radford have not blamed the previous regime for the past 2 seasons absolute poop?'"
Can you not comprehend English?
Of course they have claimed the squad is stronger, as every coach does.
I've asked you and UllFC where they said Radford inherited a "disaster of a squad and has had to start from nothing".
They didn't, it's just typical of the OTT rubbish posted on here.
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| This article was unnecessary and unhelpful.
It has provoked a negative reaction on here and probably moans of "heard it all before" from fans who don't read this board.
There was no need for it at all.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Great comeback, well done.
Feel free to add a link showing anyone from the club saying that Radford inherited a "disaster of a squad and has had to start from nothing".'"
Correct me if iam wrong,but didn't radford inherit a team that finished 6th and reached a challenge cup final,hardly a train wreck.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Can you not comprehend English?
Of course they have claimed the squad is stronger, as every coach does.
I've asked you and UllFC where they said Radford inherited a "disaster of a squad and has had to start from nothing".
They didn't, it's just typical of the OTT rubbish posted on here.'"
Can YOU not comprehend English is the question, if you cannot read between the lines then you've zero grasp of understanding the English language and what is being said in a non direct way, wake up FFS!
Radford and Pearson have effectively laid the blame at Gentle (and SM) door since Radford's appointment and in almost every single interview there has being a mention of it in one form or another, that you insist that hasn't being said is your failing to understand not others whom can clearly see through the BS being spun by both protagonists.
I hope Radford fails, and fail he will (oh we might nudge 5th or 6th whoopdefookingdo) but he's a man that goes back on his word, he's a bastabber and a bully. Secondly even with a 17 full of internationals we still wouldn't make a final as he hasn't learnt dick, still makes the same old mistakes every fooking weekend and still hasn't got a clue on how to improve basic core skills, still can't improve our attack at the critical points, nor improve players in areas they need.
He can't even accept the failings lie right at his door, he's utterly deluded and it would appear some fans equally so thinking this turnip is going to turn us around.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Can YOU not comprehend English is the question, if you cannot read between the lines then you've zero grasp of understanding the English language and what is being said in a non direct way, wake up FFS!
Radford and Pearson have effectively laid the blame at Gentle (and SM) door since Radford's appointment and in almost every single interview there has being a mention of it in one form or another, that you insist that hasn't being said is your failing to understand not others whom can clearly see through the BS being spun by both protagonists.
I hope Radford fails, and fail he will (oh we might nudge 5th or 6th whoopdefookingdo) but he's a man that goes back on his word, he's a bastabber and a bully. Secondly even with a 17 full of internationals we still wouldn't make a final as he hasn't learnt dick, still makes the same old mistakes every fooking weekend and still hasn't got a clue on how to improve basic core skills, still can't improve our attack at the critical points, nor improve players in areas they need.
He can't even accept the failings lie right at his door, he's utterly deluded and it would appear some fans equally so thinking this turnip is going to turn us around.'"
Tough words, care to substantiate any of that?
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Can YOU not comprehend English is the question, if you cannot read between the lines then you've zero grasp of understanding the English language and what is being said in a non direct way, wake up FFS!
Radford and Pearson have effectively laid the blame at Gentle (and SM) door since Radford's appointment and in almost every single interview there has being a mention of it in one form or another, that you insist that hasn't being said is your failing to understand not others whom can clearly see through the BS being spun by both protagonists.
Thank you
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Can YOU not comprehend English is the question, if you cannot read between the lines then you've zero grasp of understanding the English language and what is being said in a non direct way, wake up FFS!
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Was this deliberately ironic?
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Got to say I agree with the ones saying that whilst there have never been any direct accusations aimed at Gentle (or Bomber) there has certainly been inferences that our problems are their fault.
Just for example, this is from AP's programme notes last year ( www.hullfc.com/article/35357/rea ... atch-notes):
Quote "There have been massive issues to address of late which are beyond the public domain that should have been dealt with long ago, and were unfortunately inherited by Lee and Motu Tony. Those issues will take time to sort, but they have already made huge advances along the right path.
"Both of them are now making inroads into moulding their own squad for next season and we have some exciting signings confirmed and some close to being confirmed."'"
Now, that being said, I don't agree that the latest article makes any such inferences. At least not from LR. The closest we get from Radford IMO is:
Quote "When you look at the squad I inherited to the squad I will be putting out next year, I think everyone can agree that there has been vast improvements,"'"
Now you can look at that "inherited" part as an inference that he was left with a bad squad when he started out that he was not responsible for. Or you could look at it as LR simply saying he believes he's made improvements on the squad he started out with without any implications being made regarding the state of that squad.
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Got to say I agree with the ones saying that whilst there have never been any direct accusations aimed at Gentle (or Bomber) there has certainly been inferences that our problems are their fault.
Just for example, this is from AP's programme notes last year ( www.hullfc.com/article/35357/rea ... atch-notes):
Quote "There have been massive issues to address of late which are beyond the public domain that should have been dealt with long ago, and were unfortunately inherited by Lee and Motu Tony. Those issues will take time to sort, but they have already made huge advances along the right path.
"Both of them are now making inroads into moulding their own squad for next season and we have some exciting signings confirmed and some close to being confirmed."'"
Now, that being said, I don't agree that the latest article makes any such inferences. At least not from LR. The closest we get from Radford IMO is:
Quote "When you look at the squad I inherited to the squad I will be putting out next year, I think everyone can agree that there has been vast improvements,"'"
Now you can look at that "inherited" part as an inference that he was left with a bad squad when he started out that he was not responsible for. Or you could look at it as LR simply saying he believes he's made improvements on the squad he started out with without any implications being made regarding the state of that squad.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I agree with everything said in the article. Where does he blame Gentle? He just says his squad will be better next season than the one he got from Gentle, I have to agree.
I'm no fan if Radford, but you are making a big deal out of a nothing story.'"
The problem is he said that about this season also
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| I fully agree with the others on here that this is nothing more then b.s. and spin. Still blaming the previous regime for our current failings and predicament and setting the bar of success very low.
It buys Radford more time and offers optimism for next season to the fans who fall hook line and sinker for the nonsense the club churns out at times.
Pearson himself has said to me via e mail that the only mistake He made was appointing gentle so fook knows what he sees in Radford to think he is the messiah.
Radford cannot improve himself or the players any further and all this improved recruitment will do is cover and hide his coaching deficiencies with better players and God forbid it buys him a contract extension.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"I fully agree with the others on here that this is nothing more then b.s. and spin. Still blaming the previous regime for our current failings and predicament and setting the bar of success very low.
It buys Radford more time and offers optimism for next season to the fans who fall hook line and sinker for the nonsense the club churns out at times.
Pearson himself has said to me via e mail that the only mistake He made was appointing gentle so fook knows what he sees in Radford to think he is the messiah.
Radford cannot improve himself or the players any further and all this improved recruitment will do is cover and hide his coaching deficiencies with better players and God forbid it buys him a contract extension.'"
Exactly.
If we finish top next year with improved recruitment that'll only be papering over the cracks IMO.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Exactly.
If we finish top next year with improved recruitment that'll only be papering over the cracks IMO.'"
I assume you are trying to be sarcastic
If you don't like Radford or the club being criticised then reply with a meaningful post.
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| silly apologists, apologising. Radford is useless, we need a quality coach, and Motu can get a taxi with him too
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| Quote ="HullFC_1865"silly apologists, apologising. Radford is useless, we need a quality coach, and Motu can get a taxi with him too'"
Nobody is apologising for him. Most (maybe even all, except friends and family) supporters think Radford isn't up to the job. However there is zero chance of him leaving soon. He will end the season as head coach and start next season as head coach. Constant hand-wringing and complaining and going over the same points on every thread will not change that.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Nobody is apologising for him. Most (maybe even all, except friends and family) supporters think Radford isn't up to the job. However there is zero chance of him leaving soon. He will end the season as head coach and start next season as head coach. Constant hand-wringing and complaining and going over the same points on every thread will not change that.'"
do you really want me to waste my time quoting you, and others, making excuses for Lee? seriously, there is a village in East Hull missing an idiot called Lee, simple fact, he promised to walk, he has no honour.
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| Quote ="HullFC_1865"do you really want me to waste my time quoting you, and others, making excuses for Lee? seriously, there is a village in East Hull missing an idiot called Lee, simple fact, he promised to walk, he has no honour.'"
I like you to find me quotes from all these apologists, I've no doubt they are a couple, but if say that 95% of Hull fans think he currently isn't up to the job. The difference is that most don't have a moan about the same thing every single day, making a big deal about a nothing article in which everything said is correct.
He isn't going anywhere, so we might as well get behind the club and hope he can turn it around, I think he needs some help, I'd like someone like Kear as assistant coach.
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