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| Quote ="frepneyboy"I wonder if Dobbo fancies a 15% pay rise'"
Be better than the 50% pay cut Hudgell offered him
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| Good move by all involved. Hopefully brett can recover fully now without the pressure that I'm sure will have been weighing on his mind of getting fit to play for hull again.
Hopefully the payoff will have been cleared with the rfl and whoever else involved and that money becomes available to try and get a player in for this season, personally I think we should put in sneaky bids for dobson and brough and see if we can take one of the two. Because let's be honest dobson is the player we went after and didn't get that's hurt us the most and broughs the one player that's left us and gone on to bigger things (although I doubt he would have done those things while at hull)
Hopefully we will have better luck with whoever we bring in next to be our number 7.
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| Quote A4 Termination of a Playing Contract during the Salary Cap Year
Prior RSCM approval pursuant to Clause 6 shall be required where a Club proposes to terminate the Playing Contract of a Player, whether pursuant to a transfer of that Player’s registration or otherwise. The RSCM shall formally approve such termination for purposes of Clause 6 and shall recalculate the Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability and/or Aggregate Second Tier Liability in accordance with Clause 6.
Comment to Clause A4: If the departing Player was a First Tier Player, then the Player with the next highest Salary Cap Value outside of the Club’s First Tier Players will automatically become a First Tier Player for the purposes of the Regulations.
Ongoing Assessment of a Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability
E1:6:1 At any point during the Salary Cap Year, where a Club wishes to commit itself to any transaction, or to conduct itself (by act or omission) in any manner, which varies its Aggregate First Tier Liability, the Club must first provide to the RSCM written details of the proposed transaction or conduct, and evidence of the impact that such transaction or conduct would have on its Aggregate First Tier Liability. In no circumstances is the Club permitted to proceed with such transaction or conduct without the RSCM’s express written approval.
Comment to Clause 6.1: Examples of transactions or conduct that may vary a Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability are set out at Appendix 2.
6.1.1 Where the proposed transaction is the agreement of a new Playing Contract with either one of the Club’s existing Players or a new Player, then the information provided to the RSCM must include a properly completed Registration Request Form (attached at Appendix 4).
Comment to Clause 6.1.1: The RFL will not register a new Playing Contract unless and until the RSCM has given his express written approval pursuant to Clause 6.2.
In addition, registration of a new Playing Contract will be governed by section C1 of the Operational Rulesand the express written approval of the RSCM does not provide any form of guarantee or assurance that the requirements of those Operational Rules have been satisfied or that such Playing Contract will be registered by the RFL.
6.1.2 Where the proposed transaction is the termination of a Playing Contract with one of the Club’s existing Players, as part of which the Club proposes to make a new payment (in a lump sum or in instalments) to the Player that was not provided for in his Playing Contract or other arrangements (and therefore was not previously included in the calculation of his Salary Cap Value) (the “Termination Payment”), then the information provided to the RSCM must include a proposed compromise agreement between the Player and the Club (usually in the form of the RFL’s standard compromise agreement as drafted from time to time) setting out full details of the agreement reached, including full details of the Termination Payment.
6.1.3 On approval of a Termination Payment referred to in clause 6.1.2 above, the Player’s original Salary Cap Value shall thereafter be disregarded for the purposes of calculating his previous Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability and/or Aggregate Second Tier Liability.
In relation to his new Club (if applicable), the Player’s Salary Cap Value will be calculated as normal in accordance with the Regulations unless, in very unusual circumstances, the transaction is one:
(a) that the RSCM believes, acting reasonably, to operate against the overriding spirit and purpose of the salary cap (as set out in clause 1.1 above), and
(b) where the Player’s new Salary Cap Value is significantly less than it was at his previous Club and/or where the Termination Payment involved in the transaction in question is significantly in excess of the usual tax free termination payment permitted by HMRC (noting clause 1.6 above).
In any such unusual circumstances, the RSCM is hereby empowered to agree a different (higher) Salary Cap Value with the Club in question and, ultimately, in the event that the Club proceeds to register the Player without such agreement, to apply a different Salary Cap Value to the Player at his new Club.
6.1.4 The RCSM may notify the Club that he requires further information in order to assess the proposed transaction or conduct. He shall not be required to proceed with his assessment until such further information is received.'"
Think that's the relevant bits!
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| Good luck to Brett and his family.
I have seen and experienced this type of illness and the effects it can have.
Its clear there are some historic problems affecting him if you look at his history he has been sacked by 2 other clubs in Aus one for alchohol related problems.
He seems to have had problems throughout his career and its true that life is more important than rugby league.
Maybe Hull should have seen the danger signs from his past.
BTW Keep your dirty little hands off Dobbo!!!
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| Brough is a definite no chance.
Dobson - No chance, Hudgell would never sell to us.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Brough is a definite no chance.
Dobson - No chance, Hudgell would never sell to us.'"
You never know might see it as a chance to get some of his money back before he steps down
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| Quote ="the artist"some signings work, some dont
in our case its mainly scrum halves who dont
and £150 grand a year - ruddy hell'"
Maybe putting in some extra homework on these scrum halves that don't work out for you guys is the way forward!
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Maybe putting in some extra homework on these scrum halves that don't work out for you guys is the way forward!'"
To be fair, Holdsworth and the headaches issue aside, our problem scrum halves have all been signed by the old regime.
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| Quote ="AirlieBird82"To be fair, Holdsworth and the headaches issue aside, our problem scrum halves have all been signed by the old regime.'"
Yep, god knows what's going on with him. A B&W friend of mine yesterday said he has heard he may have a fracture, I don't know.
Plus I always had Holdsworth down as an off half.
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"There is a young lad at Catleford called Jamie Ellis.
Might be worth a look.'"
Yes, a player who is only just good enough for a team in the bottom 2 of SL.
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| Quote ="the artist"some signings work, some dont
in our case its mainly scrum halves who dont
and £150 grand a year - ruddy hell'"
The classic "the mail understands". Which roughly translated means The HDM has made a complete guess at, what with him being an Aussie and a scrum half.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"The classic "the mail understands". Which roughly translated means The HDM has made a complete guess at, what with him being an Aussie and a scrum half.'"
To be fair considering our old regime it's more than likely true...
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| It was blindly obvious to a simpleton that he was never going to work out at Hull. Best news I've heard in ages.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Plus I always had Holdsworth down as an off half.'"
Me too actually. Don't know what I was thinking!
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| lets be fair, with a reported 150k burning a hole in our coffers, who realistically is available and who would we get for such a sum??.......
as for superleague, there isnt much about, id say gentle will have an eye on the reserve nrl grade......
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| Quote ="weaver93"Brough is a definite no chance.
Dobson - No chance, Hudgell would never sell to us.'"
The administrators will.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"lets be fair, with a reported 150k burning a hole in our coffers, who realistically is available and who would we get for such a sum??.......
as for superleague, there isnt much about, id say gentle will have an eye on the reserve nrl grade......'"
Difficult to get a visa for them though, so unless it is a reserve grader with Islander heritage/passport it isn't straightforward.
There's a real shortage of good halfs now. While the likes of Jamie Ellis, Kyle Briggs and Gareth Moore didn't really cut it, as the standard falls players like them become better in relative terms.
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| Quote ="GEvans75"The administrators will.'"
Would you dare wait that long? We find a buyer late on and your options narrow again. We're much more saleable with him on board, so we'll hold on as long as possible - unless, as has been acknowledged, an NRL club offers him a deal.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Difficult to get a visa for them though, so unless it is a reserve grader with Islander heritage/passport it isn't straightforward.
There's a real shortage of good halfs now. While the likes of Jamie Ellis, Kyle Briggs and Gareth Moore didn't really cut it, as the standard falls players like them become better in relative terms.'"
Go on, sell us Dobbo. You know you want to really
On a serious note, agree with what you say regarding the problems with NRL reserve graders and the overall shortage of good halves. And those clubs with them will fight tough and nail to keep them.
I just hope the club don't panic and go for the first available half. With some luck Holdsworth will be back soon and Horne has been outstanding so far this season so we don't need to rush.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"lets be fair, with a reported 150k burning a hole in our coffers, who realistically is available and who would we get for such a sum??.......
as for superleague, there isnt much about, id say gentle will have an eye on the reserve nrl grade......'"
Short term, possibly G O B of Warrington, probably would depend on when Briers is back.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Short term, possibly G O B of Warrington, probably would depend on when =#0040FFBriers is back.'"
Could be 2 + 2 making 5, but his increasing injury absences + being given a coaching role have me wondering if a retirement announcement is nearing. Especially with Myler moving up a level this year and looking more like an all-round halfback now.
Sneyd would be one I'd hope we keep an eye/ear out for.
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| Quote ="The Milky Bar Kid"So the big three overseas signs the old board made two have left before end of their deals. Only arron left'"
O'Carroll and Ellis British equivalents, too.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Could be 2 + 2 making 5, but his increasing injury absences + being given a coaching role have me wondering if a retirement announcement is nearing. Especially with Myler moving up a level this year and looking more like an all-round halfback now.
Sneyd would be one I'd hope we keep an eye/ear out for.'"
Had the same thought about Briers. 34 now isn't he?
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| Quote ="AirlieBird82"Had the same thought about Briers. 34 now isn't he?'"
Yeah, and will be 35 before the season is out. Hodgson another who can't be far away, so could well be Myler and O'Brien in the halves with Ratchford their permanent fullback before too long.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Yeah, and will be 35 before the season is out. Hodgson another who can't be far away, so could well be [uMyler and O'Brien in the halves with Ratchford their permanent fullback[/u before too long.'"
Doesn't sound too bad for their future, does it!
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